Cristobal: Decolonizing is pueblos’ first step
By
Manuel R. Cristobal
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| It was the Spanish thought and culture instituted from 1620 that was designed to eradicate our Pueblo beliefs and culture. |
It was the Spanish thought and culture instituted from 1620 that was designed to eradicate our Pueblo beliefs and culture. In 1620, by royal decree of the King of Spain, the Keres, Tiwa, Tewa, Walatowa, and Zuni, were formed into civil government and given Spanish canes of authority. These institutions were designed to make us servants of indoctrination of a life of servitude, which is still practiced today. Mexican officials gave Pueblos canes after Mexico won its independence from Spain in 1821. President Abraham Lincoln also presented canes in recognition of the pueblo’s non-violent position toward the United States during the American Civil War.
Most recently, King Juan Carlos of Spain presented the Spanish canes to the All Indian Pueblo Council. Former New Mexico Gov. Bruce King affirmed the same recognition with a presentation of 19 canes to the pueblos. In 2007, Spain gave the Pueblo of Acoma a cane, so tribal officials would not contest the controversial, three-story-tall bronze statue “The Equestrian” in El Paso, Texas.
Another example of such an interpretation of Spanish influence today is the patron Saint Santiago (the saint of conquest) who appears in a drama acted out during some pueblo feast days. Santiago appears in the ceremony wearing Spanish style clothing, carrying a sword and a cross while riding a puppeteer horse. He is called “sandero” (Spanish solider) by the Pueblos who impersonate him. “Santiago” is also a Spanish war cry, which echoes an eternity of human suffering. Is this the perception of celebration?
Who are we honoring this day? What is wrong with this picture?
Here in the pueblos, colonialism remains alive with civil obedience to Spanish morals and “morality dramas” of the reconquista (reconquest). Miles away in El Paso, “The Equestrian” remains a controversial memorial to the genocidal Conquistador Juan De Onate. We can define annihilation of the Pueblo people through colonization and forced assimilation. How detrimental to continue to empower the concepts of the Spanish institutions.
We are at a time in the “conscious thought” of the Pueblo people to begin to bring an end to the system of colonization, and move towards independence from symbolic “Spanish canes” and exercise our inherent right to decolonize from the Proclamation of 1620. Most Pueblo people need to assert their right to self-determination and take a stand with a democratic constitution.
Nothing creates more talk and disagreement than our Pueblo Indian women’s “lack of human rights.” True, some Pueblo women serve on tribal councils and have served as governors only when their pueblos have written a Constitution. Other Pueblo women have no voice in tribal councils in a system molded after the 1620 Spanish civil government. When these exclusions of rights do not exist, there are many hidden exploitations that Pueblo women endure today. Women in Iraq have more political rights and that is the right to vote.
The Pueblo people will look upon this “controversial issue” of historical trauma, and will see the truth and acknowledge the manifestations of the pervasive Spanish institutions, including the legacies that still indoctrinate the Pueblo today. Keeping this issue of sovereignty alive is a real concern today. We must focus on abstaining from participating in Santa Fe’s 2009 and 2010 Cuarto Centenario, which celebrates four centuries of Spanish influence. Support of this event would give the impression that Pueblo people endorse and validate events that commemorate the “genocide” of indigenous people of the Southwest.
As Pueblo people, we must secure our right to speak the truth without fear of intimidation and retaliation for speaking out. It is time to speak the truth and decolonize our Pueblo minds.
The opinions expressed in this editorial do not represent the Santa Ana Tribal Council or the 19-Indian Pueblo Council.
The Federal Indian Civil Rights Act of 1968 states, “No Indian tribe exercising powers of self-government shall make or abridge the freedom of speech or the press.”
Today, I exercise my First Amendment right to free speech.
Manuel R. Cristobal is a councilman of the Santa Ana Pueblo (Tamaya).
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Wednesday, Nov 11 at 9:35 PM -Dineh- wrote ...
Many comments are no longer posted, because “J ‘Hang Around the Fort’ Dirt Indian” tagged comments as inappropriate. So I’m off to continuing dry verbal jousting with the Solicitors, ho-hum. So, continue with your bashing of Navajos, Pueblos, Christians, or anyone that’s not of Whatever Origin You are – Coward, Turd of the White Buffalo, etc. etc. etc…
31974224 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Wednesday, Nov 11 at 9:12 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
And May God Bless You “Another of the same gospel” and your bro “JDirt,” and Amen!
31973176 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Friday, Nov 6 at 12:43 AM Another of the same gospel! wrote ...
Oh these dudes herein are BIG-TIME in the know! They must be navajo or something worse! Only YISRAEL knows about tribes-they have 12 of them The SW trines should've put up more of a fight but they couldn't right! They couldn't defeat the conquistadors because they were empowered by El Elyon and ALL gods are subject to HIM! No 'omerta' 'dineh' 'voice' grab a TENACH and read for effect because your infantile arguments don't add up...
31676401 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Nov 2 at 11:53 PM Joe Dirt wrote ...
Why would anyone want to follow that religion "Catholism" anyway? Killers, child molesters, disease carriers, idol worshipers! Where do you think that kind of stuff was learned? Brought over on the mayflower! Satan was on that ship along with his demons. That belongs to the Europeans, let them have it!
31495961 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Nov 2 at 3:31 PM Its me, OMERTA wrote ...
Respect your women, respect each other. The only "sell out" are ndn politicians who seek to gain their own squander and to those who have bowed down to christianity. I respect all people. Good article Mr. Cristobal. I commend your efforts and insight.
31476422 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Saturday, Oct 31 at 11:10 AM Voice4Change wrote ...
I apologize for running all over the boards in my dog dawg-dawging way, ; ) It’s unfortunate that most people choose to remain detached, uninvolved, or kick back at laugh as if real-life drama and events were all make-believe. The pueblo men have their various societies, and whatever they do when amongst themselves is secretive and any form of disclosure to women is forbidden. However, I have been blessed with sources/informants. May the light of the Higher Power guide and keep you protected.
31378758 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Saturday, Oct 31 at 9:33 AM Too Much Information! wrote ...
this 'omerta' and 'dineh' are now really interfacing but their gist isn't clear! I guess they want everybody to 'play nice' and ___? The majority of 'indian country' does not want to be involved with NCAI-less than half are! That's the message-learned ones call it tribalism or any of the various dominant society terms used but Native America is not meant for unanimity! some will see pueblo like they do, many will see navajo like they do but its their perogative! navajo will be navajo: sell outs!
31375077 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Friday, Oct 30 at 3:52 PM Omerta wrote ...
'Voice', I was being factious on the accounted for by the church. Thank you for your input on all this 'matter'. I appreciate it. EVERYONE: no more bashing, please, please, come on. We need to quit fighting about scraps from the festive table of equality.
31349742 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 9:04 PM -Dineh- to Relative Sovereignty wrote ...
Pueblos have been into Casino gaming longer than the Navajos. With millions in revenue generated and with the exception of Sandia Pueblo, what has been returned to pueblo members? Members are still in need of adequate housing, plumbing, electricity etc. Students have no funds for higher ed, except for what the Feds provide in appropriations. Land purchases are financed, instead of purchased outright. Casino revenues are deposited to the General Fund otherwise referred to as the “black hole.”
31308793 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 8:19 PM - Dineh – wrote ...
To “A small group”, Pueblos traded autocracy for theocracy, serving as subjects to the Spanish Crown, then citizens of the Mexican government. You have always been subjects of a foreign land and/or country. Never wanting to be American. It was the U.S. Supreme Court that dictated to you as to who and what you are, American Indian. Shake the yoke of past enmeshed Spanish philosophies and current abusive theocracy to progress. Or, you will be not just dark, but “Blind Children of the Dark.”
31307223 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 7:45 PM Ignorance bliss? wrote ...
'voice' your the big dawg! How can observation be construed as fear of the unknown. history is tainted because the mainstream society bent the real to fit their causes! They are not far off when they speak of navajo though. Go to the Pres' office and watch all the little grammas there asking for help but get hollow placation for their hardship-laden requests! Running around replete with whiteman toys but forgetting those who literally tried so hard to get that tribe to today, is always low class
31306053 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 5:50 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
Absolutely, I have a very busy life and schedule. I’m a researcher and travel quite extensively. Pueblo religious/spiritual leaders have the knowledge of transforming gender. In fact, they are the experts i.e., creating berdaches for the purpose of religious ceremonies. I don’t know about you all, but I’m keeping my sons and nephews safe and away from those tainted practices. Wow, I haven’t learned anything from you all, except that you seem to hate what is unknown to you.
31301918 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 3:37 PM What a 'voice' wrote ...
This guy is all over the map trying to get us all to play nice-noble but ill-charted venture! Maybe just get a life would work better! It appears he is emotionally-involved with 'dineh' He stated he knew non-homosexual navajo relatives/friends so it maybe just plutonic for now. I thought some pueblo were 'mercs' who did the heavy lifting for other more sedate pueblos-anyone know about this? Syncretism is commonplace in SW it seems!
31295922 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 3:25 PM To 'voice' wrote ...
Your clinical views here are more of detached ramblings/babble! How come one has to be 'wounded' or 'need healing' when they state their opinions? This section is ICT 'opinion' section and many are just stating theirs but because obviously its not your thoughts, does not make it 'groundless rhetoric' or wounded in need of healing! Tribes were never all allies some were just underlings of others and navajo were just that! They still are and most are happy with that! Right!
31295228 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 3:20 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
Cont. The church is a tourist attraction and monetary donations often line the pockets of church caretakers. Regarding reviving old government: It’s all religion based, and after four decades of asking questions without answers, I’ve conducted enough research to find answers that my pueblo elders were unable to provide, and have even found the book which chronicles the creation story, myths and origin of the pueblo people which is rooted/thrives in darkness.
31294988 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 3:19 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
KnightofSwords: Reviving old religion and government would at this juncture be difficult, as I’ve stated before due to enmeshment and imbuement of traditional spiritualism into this and that. Interesting tidbit… The old mission that sits atop the Old Pueblo has a tabernacle; however, it does not contain a Eucharist. The parish priest has to obtain permission from the tribal governor’s office in order to conduct services.
31294962 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 3:18 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
Omerta, “Pueblo souls are accounted for through the Catholic Church…” Interesting and how presumptuous, unless spoken to strike a note of sarcasm which may be based on your own personal experiences ( /-) with pueblos? So very little information is released or available on the pueblos’ churches, foundations on which many are situated, and the closeted practices of a “dual belief system.” I came from that place and know the aristocratic ways and means of pueblo leaders. Do they care? No!
31294867 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 3:16 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
To Posters w/ Navajo issues: Why the denigration of the Navajo people? Is formulation of your opinion(s) based on personal experiences, or learned from your elders? I have Navajo family, relatives and friends who are above the standard that you’ve created and entangled yourselves. It’s important to find the source of your personal frustration and feelings of resentment in order to begin healing. Someone or something seems to have hurt you, or are your feelings based upon groundless rhetoric?
31294772 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 10:03 AM Why is it 'hate' to opine? wrote ...
'dineh' wants free love and all is well but his tribe is anything but this! To state opinions is not 'hate speech' this is how embedded homosexuality is with navajo-to speak your mind contrary to their agenda is 'hate!' More then pueblo see the reality the farce of navajo culture is. They can't get along with each other but ole 'dineh' can't see past itself! navajo are the laughing stock of Native America, deal & heal!
31276322 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Thursday, Oct 29 at 7:58 AM - Dineh - wrote ...
To “A small group” from your comment; you must be of puebloan descent. My observations of pueblos is that colonialism is so embedded and enmeshed in your religion that Spanish edicts cannot be separated from Native. Cistobal’s article suggests that decolonizing is the way to purify your religion. Voice4Change writes “Children of the Dark”, because of this yoke of colonialism and your inability to change you will be always be “Children of the Dark.” therefore, you have to hate another tribe.
31269317 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Wednesday, Oct 28 at 5:24 PM Wanbli wrote ...
The dysfunctional characteristic that we are all aware of among our people and families isn't because it’s a national traditional cultural trait (Race), but us, as an oppressed people who have been generationally enslaved, brainwashed and domesticated in white imperial ideologies, mythologies, norms, values and rewards of white society that are dehumanizing, non-human and the greatest danger to the entire human race as we know it, accept it and love it, unconditionally.
31246823 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Wednesday, Oct 28 at 1:16 PM 'Hey omerta' wrote ...
The consenus is navajo are inarticulate and cold and their males want to be woman and their females want to male...what's 'they' about that? I tired of being embarassed by navajo homosexuals especially the ones who I have seen 'working the streets.' They have no internal rapport to work with their most troubled members...
31233067 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Wednesday, Oct 28 at 10:08 AM Omerta wrote ...
Come on people. Quit the putting each other down. THis is what "they" want. There are "bad" in each tribe, don't dwell on it. Its no wonder there are not many natives in higher positions, as we tend to bring down anyone who tries to succeed. Be positive!
31221662 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Tuesday, Oct 27 at 10:12 PM I agree wrote ...
Because so many tribal functions go on in Albq you do see these navajo 'men' prancing about all painted up and 'working!' I've encountered many homosexual navajos but this 'dineh' dude is professing virility maybe "it's" a navajo female! Check out these poor pueblos and 'change' carrying on heartfelt babble. Has anyone mentioned how superstitious navajos are? With any due respect, I agree with some of these tough remarks pointed at navajos..
31200897 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Tuesday, Oct 27 at 9:55 PM To Infantile 'dineh' wrote ...
Tribal corruption is not comical-navajos are! I don't care what-if any-'contributions' you claim-not relevant to me! navajos males are 'hooking' on Albq streets which embarasses all Natives-maybe you can get them in jump school. 'Inarticulate" see navajo. Say what you want but you'll always be a navajo and I'm won't! Tribes laugh at you guys come on-you got to sense this right? Maybe some other tribe will adopt you but get your men off the streets will you!
31200327 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Tuesday, Oct 27 at 10:36 AM Omerta wrote ...
Pueblos are strong nations. Only to glorify their own conquest. Do away with the patron "saint" celebrations. Pueblo souls are accounted for through the catholic church, what else matters but to beat down the already wounded Pueblo. Do they care? Let's see. Stay Native and true. Its hard, but I do it for my grandparents who struggeled and walked 300 miles for me to pray and speak.
31166687 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 10:12 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
Pueblo societies are not “matriarchal societies” as many would like one to believe. If that were the case, Wouldn’t women would hold positions of leadership in all areas of puebloan life, culture and ways? On my wish list: Pueblo tribal leaders with ethics who actually regard and hold the People high and foremost, and abuses perpetrated by those keepers of religious/spiritual knowledge and practices uprooted and brought into the light = Justice.
31145042 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 10:12 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
How many pueblo women and children have been murdered within the boundaries of the pueblo lands? More often than not, tribal leaderships have failed to cooperate with federal investigators to fully address, resolve and bring justice to the killers. Tribal leaders utilize sovereignty at whim. On one hand, as a weapon and form of punishment for those whom they are supposed to serve, their People. On the other, as a shield for self-preservation/their families, cohorts, supporters and sympathizers.
31145028 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 10:11 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
Brainwashing includes what Pueblo men have learned from the patriarchal and barbaric ways of their Spaniard mentors. ‘Why do pueblo people honor saints and observe or celebrate feast days?’ Due to spiritual imbuement performed by traditional religious/spiritual leaders on the Spanish/Lincoln canes/roosters/chickens, the canes/animals are considered sanctified, which in turn, male participants believe will be transferred to them upon political appointment or cessation of the animal’s life.
31145008 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 10:10 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
KnightofSwords, the symbolic breaking of canes would be a monumental and symbolic act. At the core of tribal issues is a commonality which we all share. What is the catalyst for change? Dialogue such as this forum and networking is invaluable. This may springboard and be applied to Acoma, San Felipe, Santa Clara and other areas outside of the pueblos’ perimeter. Unfortunately, so many of my people do not have access to a computer, let alone the internet; it is even illegal to assemble.
31144973 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 8:53 PM Zep wrote ...
I like the idea of doing something symbolic such as breaking of canes as Knight suggests. It is just a start but it represents a step in a different direction.
31142307 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 7:40 PM KnightofSwords wrote ...
If the Spanish gave certain leaders canes of authority to flatter their egos in order to control the Pueblo from within and then try to coerce those leaders they gave canes to towards Spanish thoughts and ideas the Pueblo should have a public breaking of those canes at a council meeting or spiritual ceremony or event and declare we are our own people and we deny any colonialistic ideas for us. We can either go back to our old ways or invent new 21st century government and ideas for our people.
31139873 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 7:33 PM KnightofSwords wrote ...
My original comments were to state that the Pueblos were not the only tribe to defeat the Spanish in battle. To get back to the original article the best way to get rid of the Catholic honoring of Saint's Feast days and other Spanish civil authority precepts including patriarchal authority which my tribe did also as well as Spanish government, religious, and other Spanish colonial dictates that have ingrained themselves into Pueblo culture is to revive the old religion and government.
31139592 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 7:29 PM loramargaret wrote ...
decolonization is not an easy feat.generations have learned from their relatives.even a little bit of independent thinking is a step, i'd like to see us expend our energies on natural resources--it might bring a unified front.
31139448 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 7:25 PM KnightofSwords wrote ...
To VoicesofChange: yes, I understand that faith based religions have inherent secretive leaders and rites like you stated that is more about a power trip than trying to help people get answers when they sometimes don't want you to get the answers because then you won't come back and pay them money, respect, etc. That is why I while I still believe in God(Wakonta)I also study esoteric buddhism including meditation, some taoism, as well as other mystical studies. I am on a spiritual path.
31139288 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 7:22 PM - Dineh - wrote ...
To “A small group of”: You think and write like a wannabe or a “hang around the fort Indian”. You hang around outside the fort’s gate observing, criticizing, but you do nothing for yourself or your tribe. Incidentally, You need to hang around more heterosexuals. You’ll get a different outlook of life. “Inarticulate” appears to be the biggest word you can spell; I doubt you know the meaning, other than what someone told you what the word means.
31139178 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 7:19 PM - Dineh - wrote ...
To Relative Sovereignty -- Other incidents occurring w/i the past 2 wks you’ll find comical: Soboba Band tribal chairman accused of accepting bribes; Huron tribal gaming commissioner being considered for removal; Pojoaque Lt. Governor charged with a felony for leaving the scene of a fatal accident; Tlingit and Haida leaders alleged of unethical behavior. It’s sad that Natives think it’s comical when tribal officials conduct themselves unethically and without regard for their communities.
31139103 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 12:53 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
The subjugation of pueblo women by tribal leadership which is predominantly male will not cease due to an increasing lack of moral conscience and awareness. Cultural religions thriving in male societies are leading to higher rates of suicide, murder, rape, incest, etc. The imbuement of spiritualism into every facet of traditional process makes it difficult to separate church from state; thus, maintaining the status quo, the good ole boys mentality, and acceptance of deviant behavior/acts.
31120663 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 12:52 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
Re Catholic/Pueblo Religion/NAC and its prayerful use of peyote: While I respect all religions that provide disclosure and have the form of One God as creator, it is difficult to embrace faith based religions (including my own) that are secretive, or whose leaders fail to provide answers for various processes, or when questions become too difficult to answer, issue threats and warnings instead. And so continues the ways of oppression perpetrated by the tribal leadership from my pueblo.
31120561 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 10:09 AM Voice4Change wrote ...
Perpetuating tribalism and internal conflict amongst ourselves isn’t going to solve any of the problems plaguing Indian Country today. Cristobal’s article is about the Pueblos, their dilemma, and the need for Decolonization. Each tribe is plagued with its own set(s) of problems, and several posters have offered substantial efforts to creating constructive dialogue related to Cristobal’s article. What have we learned? Lest we all be relegated to nothing more than Children of the Dark.
31113216 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 8:10 AM Relative Soveriegnty wrote ...
First, I think sadly we are ALL subjects of fed Reserve colonialism but in Lakota Country the State has little, if any, jurisdiction. In most of indian country, including the navajo, non-tribal jurisdiction is commonplace! But with navajo they are so impersonal with each other let alone others. They are not a good society overall. For all the natural resources they have they squander it via in-fighting. Didn't they just try to remove shirley and his team? They're just comical and its not hating
31108862 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Monday, Oct 26 at 1:13 AM Zep wrote ...
"To Dineh" I really don't know why you are insulting the Dineh people like you are. I doubt they have ever done anything to you. The last time I went to Pine Ridge, I saw that they had a tribal government building, a BIA building and flew the American Flag. That to me says they are in the same situation as the rest of us and aren't some independent nation as you seem to be implying. Why don't you do something productive and support those who are trying to break the chains of colonialism.
31103778 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Sunday, Oct 25 at 3:57 PM To 'dineh' wrote ...
Come on being chased around by a little whiteman and 100 men and leaving your women, aged and children AND RUNNING! As for lakota being displaced I think you've read too many whiteman books! My understanding is they were a nomadic warrior society and are the only tribe to bring the US to the treaty table on THEIR terms-so what thje navajo wewre sell-outs BIG deal! Why are you so inarticulate and homosexual as tribe? Your men want to ne woman and women want to men?
31090997 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Sunday, Oct 25 at 11:53 AM - Dineh - wrote ...
To “A small group of” Navajo Haters: Navajos have grown into a Nation. We were among the first to call ourselves a “Nation”. You criticize the past, without knowing the contributions of the Navajo Nation to the U.S.A. Even the Great Lakota Nation was once displaced by the Chippewa. We were forced to signed treaties in the 1800s. We have fought in all wars and conflicts since the 1800s. How far has your “group” come along? I am a veteran (paratrooper), a member of the Navajo Nation and Proud.
31083986 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Sunday, Oct 25 at 3:48 AM KnightofSwords wrote ...
To Metal: The Osage did not voluntarily leave Ks and Mo but, we sold our land to US to avoid bloodshed and moved to old hunting grounds in Ok. I do sympathize with the Pueblo and I know from history that Spain has conspired with the Catholic Church to disenfranchise indigenous natives from their culture, religion, government, ways of life for centuries. I know this but, I have no ill will towards Spain,Pueblos, the Catholic Church or anyone. It is God(Wakonta)'s will to love everyone.
31073183 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Sunday, Oct 25 at 3:39 AM KnightofSwords wrote ...
This is for metal the Osage sold their lands in Kansas and Missouri to the United States. We did not want to but, we were wise not to risk war with the US. The Osage reservation now is part of our old hunting grounds which we bought back from the Cherokee. Osage leaders were very wise as I am a descendant of hereditary and elected chiefs. The Osage were the richest people per capita in the world in the 1920s due to wise leadership.
31073057 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Sunday, Oct 25 at 3:02 AM metal wrote ...
The Osage were pushed out of KS & MO into Okla. It was the Americans that pushed them out of those states. The Osage can try and rewrite history to say the voluntarily left their original homelands because they wanted to live in OK, but that isn't really what happened. They were relocated there. The Pueblos are rightfully proud of maintaining at least a big part of their culture and homelands and I support their decolonization efforts.
31072607 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Sunday, Oct 25 at 2:51 AM kinghtofSwords wrote ...
peyote roadmen. My uncles run my family's native american church at this time. I am a patriotic, mixed blood christian Osage but, I attend my relative's native american church. I was an altar boy when I was youngerso I attend Catholic Mass. God is great. I am patriotic as mentioned earlier and I am half Osage. Osage never were defeated by US they never fought the US we did have mercenaries scout for the US though but Osage were strong warriors so they missed battle and the thrill of the hunt
31072522 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Sunday, Oct 25 at 2:46 AM KnightofSwords wrote ...
The French supplied the Osage with guns and metal trade goods and made the Osage a strong regional power. The Osage were probably the strongest fur trader nation west of the Mississippi during the 1700s and early 1800s. I was raised Catholic and still attend Mass. God is strong. I am also a descendant of medicine men from the old Osage ways and my relatives run a church over 100 yrs old in the native american church. My grandfathers on my dad's side and an uncle on my mother's side were
31072448 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Sunday, Oct 25 at 2:42 AM KnightofSwords wrote ...
This is for Metal the Osage were never conquered by the Americans. They never fought the Americans in war. They were too wise for that they knew they had many people and a war would only hurt the Osage. Osages are very patriotic. I was in the infantry in the 45th infantry brigade honorably discharged. The first two star native american general in american history was Clarence Tinker an Osage. I am part French and the French were catholic and Osage friends. They supplied the Osage with guns
31072397 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Saturday, Oct 24 at 9:45 PM Metal wrote ...
Keeps rejecting my comment about the Osage being conquered by the Americans, serving as scouts against the Plains Natives and being mostly patriotic, mixed blood christians.
31066888 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Saturday, Oct 24 at 9:18 PM Wanbli wrote ...
My SW relatives recieved long-ago, a Ochti Shakowine Tetuwan Oyate teaching in regard to the cereomonial hair style of their warriors, which they bun their hair and wrap it to the four gateways of our human development. They are the loyal relatives of the Seven Counsel Fire, make no mistake, they all warriors in heart and truth of heart.
31066257 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Saturday, Oct 24 at 4:16 PM ripley wrote ...
Knight-I'm sorry but the Osage were defeated by the Americans. They were pushed out of the KS & MO, among other places. When the plains nations were fighting, the Osage tried to ingratiate themselves to the Americans by serving as scouts for the Washita Massacre. The Pueblos still reside in their homelands and still have a strong cultural base to attempt decolonization. Sad to say the Osage are mostly xtian, republican, capitalist, assimilated and largely intermarried with non natives.
31059053 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Saturday, Oct 24 at 3:42 PM A small group of wrote ...
short europeans that's what the 'warriors' of the SW couldn't defeat! This guy is puffing up his shirt when he calls any of the SW tribes 'warriors' especially the navajo-who ran from diminutive kit carson leaving behind their most vulnerable-some warriors! Even today these tribes are not only small in number they are in stature-the navajo are large in number and false pride but are still small in stature. They are so inarticulate. No this author needs a reality check!
31058247 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Saturday, Oct 24 at 3:13 PM Voice4Change wrote ...
Why do pueblo people honor saints and observe or celebrate feast days? Tourists flock every year and partake in the festivities, and from all outward appearances it must seem like another day of fun and fanfare. That is until the barbarism of animals, such as rooster & chicken pulls take center stage, and then the world becomes ugly. It has nothing to do with Catholicism, but according to one traditional spiritual leader, “It’s the Catholic way.”
31057517 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Saturday, Oct 24 at 11:34 AM Voice4Change wrote ...
Other tribes also defeated the Spanish and their influences, such as the Hopi who burned down the churches. A Hopi friend of mine once asked, “Why didn’t Acoma and the Rio Grande pueblos do the same?” Good question. From what I’ve been able to ascertain, we had back-stabbing traitors in our midst which ultimately became self-defeating. According to a Spanish elder, the pueblos were greatly feared by the Spaniards, which is difficult to fathom when viewed in the light of present-day complacency.
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Re Anonymous’ comment: And your point is “What goes around comes around?” Barbarism, acts of violence, oppression, etc are nothing new to the indigenous pueblo people, and indigenous people of the Americas; the ramifications which are felt in present, every day life on the reservations and tribal lands. However, an “eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth” mentality and approach is not the way of most pueblo/indigenous people.
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I am Osage and I took Spanish in college and high school and can speak it somewhat passably it's a good language to learn for social and business reasons but, my ancestors were never forced to speak it because we easily defeated the Spanish in Oklahoma they never had sway over us in anyway whatsoever. Around the beginning of the 1800s the Great and Little Osages and the Sioux were the strongest tribes militarily west of the Mississippi.
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continued The Osage several thousand fighting men strong and highly organized strong warriors handily defeated the Spanish. This is why Osages never had to speak Spanish and they never had a revolution because they were never conquered to begin with. Spain tried to get their enemies to fight the Osage but the indians were more scared of the Osage than the Spanish. So Spain went back to trying to be friendly trading terms with the Osages. The Osages defeated Spain by themselves with no help.
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I just wanted to comment that this was not the only successful defeat of Spain but, may have been the only successful indigenous revolution against the sovereign of Spain in history. The government of New Spain based in New Orleans and answering the King of Spain in Spain declared war on the Osages in 1790. This was because the Osages had been killing their traders and stealing their trade goods meant for Osage traditional enemies. The Spanish and their indigenous trade partners were furious
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Look up the definition of the word Colonialism and see if the centuries of invading countries to steal their natural resources and lands for colonization, along with the enslavement, rape, murder and genocide of the indigenous inhabitants. Had anything to do with the murder of 3,000 Americans on 9/11
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Paternalism which is European in origin continues to be practiced and embraced by Pueblo male societies and so long as paternalism thrives, subjugation persists. Therein, lies dormant the matriarchal tradition, culture and status of Pueblo women. Manuel R. Cristobal, you are a rare man among your peers. Thank you for spreading truth and enlightenment in areas that many will not venture, due to acts of retaliation, wayward leadership and apathy. Wishing U strength, vision, wisdom and blessings!
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For the Pueblo of Acoma to accept the cane from Spain (2007) is par for the course in servitude, pacification and complacency. Pueblo men bask in their present roles as servants of Spain and thus, embrace paternalism with a fervor unequal to women, because that is the brunt of the problem, indeed. Under Old Spain’s paternalistic government and where brawn over brain supersedes, pueblo women are regarded as second-class citizens. Consequently, matriarchal is only a word with no standing or value.
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Presently, due to the outrageous salaries garnered by traditional religious/spiritual leaders, who in turn appoint governmental leaders, “tribal leadership” in all its capacities is resisting change. Pueblo tribal governments operate in circular, vicious and senseless ways, especially when status quos are threatened. It is not uncommon to hear traditional religious leaders citing the pueblos’ “creation story” as the reason for retaining the status quo, and keeping the “right to vote” at bay.
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What? I support change for progression and enlightenment, and breaking whatever sets of Spanish and Lincoln canes remain in the pueblos, and knowing that such an act would be deemed “sacrilegious.” Why? The embracement and enmeshment of Catholic/Christian and traditional religion/spiritual beliefs into tribal government has resulted in a longstanding practice of imbuing the canes with spiritual entities. Who? Traditional religious and spiritual leaders figure prominently behind the scenes.
31030033 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Friday, Oct 23 at 5:02 PM tiguagirl wrote ...
Right on! Free your mind and the rest will follow. Pueblo gal mentions the use of saints as "merely a cover to practice traditional ceremonies..." Why the need for a cover? We're not under Spanish rule anymmore! It's time to fully realize the vision of the great leader Popay - FREEDOM. Thanks to Manuel Cristobal for this courageous and timely article. Let us truly honor our ancestors' sacrifices by casting off the shackles of colonialism.
31026263 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Friday, Oct 23 at 1:34 PM Zep wrote ...
Good words here. Our ancestors fought to keep our ways alive when they faced punishment for doing so. Now, that is no longer the case and there is no need to hide who we truly are. No one will punish the Pueblo peoples if they do away with the Spanish influences so now is a good time to do it.
31017608 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Friday, Oct 23 at 1:19 PM Puebloan wrote ...
A well-stated article. Thank you.
31016723 Inappropriate? Alert Us!Friday, Oct 23 at 11:32 AM Pueblo gal wrote ...
I don't think that many Pueblos celebrate the Spanish influence the way you think they do. I've seen the parton saint Santiago portrayed at other Pueblos as merely a figure from history. I didn't see it as a celebration. History is being told their way. Many so-called celebrations of saints is merely a cover to practice traditional ceremonies and feasts in which, as I see it, celebrates our existence. Everytime I dance for our feast, I don't dance for the saint, I dance for our people.
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