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Sep 14, 2009
Homer Simpson is my hero.
Well, “hero” might be a bit much – but let’s just say that there are certain things that I admire about Homer. Bald-headed or not, I can relate to him.
First off, I always appreciate a family man. Like me, he’s not that smart. Still, he’s smart enough to adore his wife, his kids and his dog. Now that’s a man that knows his priorities! Plus, Homer always managed to keep a job. Now maybe his job skills are slightly inadequate; nonetheless, he always manages to stay employed.
And where I’m from, getting a job is ridiculously difficult. Keeping the job is even harder. Keeping that job is like trying to keep Dog the Bounty Hunter’s wife out of spandex. I mean, I wouldn’t try to keep her out of it – she’s a whole lot of woman!
But I digress. My point: Homer has a job. And he loves his family. Cool things.
Still, the thing that I admire most about Homer, believe it or not, is his beer-drinking ability. That is, Homer can come home, crack a Duff beer, and relax. Take the edge off the day, no big deal. He still loves his family after he drinks his beer, and he still gets up in the morning to do his job at the Springfield Nuclear Power Plant.
I always wished that I could do that. Seriously. I just think it’s cool.
The truth is, however, that I never saw “Homerish” drinking as a child. So I never drank even when I wanted to.
See, I never saw people take care of their family after a long night of partying. Nobody ever got up to go to work either. Instead, I learned to see alcohol in extremes. It was: “winos drank and spiritual, religious people did not.” Or maybe: “abusive, deadbeat dads drank and responsible, employed men did not.” And although I knew that it wasn’t that simple – that a person being “bad” or “good” couldn’t merely be a matter of whether a person drank alcohol or not – that’s what I saw.
The only time I saw people drunk or drinking was when they were completely incapacitated, vulnerable or violent. “Happy drunks” did not exist to me. “Passed out drunks” did.
And I hated “passed out drunks.” Except when my dad was in a belligerent mood and we waited, fearfully, for him to pass out. But most of the time dealing with a passed out drunk created a powerless feeling – I hated trying to talk to my mom or dad when they were passed out.
The closest way I can think to describe trying to communicate with a parent who passed out is this: my cousins used to pin my arms down on the bed and tickle me viciously. Or alternatively my sadistic cousins would give me an “Indian burn” (why was it called that?) on my chest. And even though it didn’t hurt that bad, physically, I still cried uncontrollably. In retrospect, I think the reason why I cried so much was not because of the pain, but because I had zero control of the situation. None. I tried my hardest to stop my older cousins from torturing me. I’d struggle, strain, and spit at them. But there was no point to my protests. No matter what I did, I could not change the outcome. No matter what I did, I got tickled until I peed my pants. Or Indian burned.
And that’s the way I felt when my parents passed out, like my efforts were completely pointless. And I’d cry with frustration. I’d shake them and yell at them – sometimes slap their faces. Try to wake them up so that they could take care of me, cook for me. I was 5 or 6 or 7 years old, and they were supposed to take care of me, right? Still, no matter what happened, they wouldn’t wake up.
Many years ago when my parents still struggled mightily with alcohol, one of them passed out while driving. My quick-thinking (and strong!) middle sister had to literally move a wasted adult – dead weight – out from the driver’s seat while the car was moving. The car was headed for a huge stack of wooden pallets at about 5 miles per hour, and it wasn’t stopping. The car would’ve knocked over the pallets, and a bunch of them would have fallen on our car. I used to think that the pallets would have killed us – that my sister literally saved our lives. I realize now that that’s probably an exaggeration. Still, those pallets probably would’ve done considerable damage to the car and maybe to us too.
My mom finally woke up and stopped drinking when my little brother was a baby and I was 14 or 15. She changed her lifestyle completely – she stopped drinking and changed her priorities and began a new life. Some would say that she “found religion.” I just knew that she changed her life (and ours!) for the better. And since my little brother was a baby when she stopped, he has no recollection of his wonderful mother or father partying and carrying on.
When they stopped drinking they made a commitment not to have alcohol around their children; alcohol was simply not allowed around the house anymore. And like any good Skin family, we tried to pretend that it didn’t exist anyplace else in the world either. That fantasy worked out for a while, but distilleries and breweries didn’t stop making alcohol simply because my family stopped drinking. Still, my family created a mythology of blissful ignorance about alcohol because it no longer affected our family.
In retrospect, I wonder if that was the healthiest approach to alcohol.
See, we went from an extreme to another extreme; from being completely immersed in alcoholic culture to alcohol being completely absent from our lives. There was no analysis of the actual substance – alcohol – other than to proclaim it “bad.” There was no detail, nuance or subtlety as to why alcohol was “bad.” No discussion. Therefore, we kids just continued to see extremes – bad and good.
And at first, that was sufficient – to merely tell us kids that we shouldn’t drink. We saw the destruction and violence that alcohol caused earlier in life. We surely didn’t want it to happen again.
But then, as I got older, I began to see friends with families whose parents drank wine with dinner. Yet, even though they drank, they laughed and talked civilly to each other. They treated each other with respect and didn’t abuse each other-physically or otherwise. I thought to myself, “They’re drinking! How can they do that? Not hurt or abandon each other?”
And I realized that not everyone who drank was a bad person.
My friends – or their parents – also did not have the weird fascination with alcohol that I did. They didn’t see alcohol as “bad” or “good.” It was simply a tasty beverage, the way that I see Snapple Lemonade. Sure, sometimes they’d drink too much – and they’d be sick in the morning as a consequence. But it wasn’t evil.
Conversely, my nieces and nephews and my little brother grew up with no alcohol around. And they never asked my sisters or my mom when they had questions about alcohol, even though we know all teenagers have questions about alcohol. We didn’t suspect anything when they didn’t come to us to tell us that they started experimenting with alcohol. Because we were so much in our safe little alcohol-free world, my nieces and nephews and little brother didn’t see us as a safe audience to ask those questions. They saw us as judgmental.
And that’s a problem.
The problem went something like this: My family tried its best to pretend that alcohol did not exist, but it does exist. Teenagers – Skin or not – are always going to have some curiosity about alcohol, and they should. Yet, because of my family’s judgmental nature toward alcohol – as a family formerly affected by addiction – we wouldn’t allow reasonable questions to be asked about alcohol.
That seems like a recipe for disaster.
I see that problem multiplied by a thousand on “dry rezzes.” Think about it – why should an adult, able to make their own decisions in every other capacity, be told that they cannot purchase a particular product? That seems very protective of adults who are, theoretically, able to protect themselves. Some would argue that it seems insulting, maybe even pointless. For example, resourceful Skins – as evidenced by border towns like Gallup, White Clay, and Hardin – are going to find some liquor if they want to find some liquor. But now, with the “dry reservation” structure, those resourceful people are going to drive to get their liquor – more drunks on the road – and possibly acquire a certain fetish with liquor. After all, it seems like taboos with no explanation creates fetish and fascination.
Just like it did with my nieces and nephews and little brother.
This is obviously a huge discussion. Still, I wonder – what are your thoughts on alcohol? Are we teaching our kids to think in extremes about alcohol? Are we literally killing our kids by teaching them that they have to make a decision amongst extremes – complete sobriety or wasted wino? Do those extremes – if they exist – create a culture of shame and guilt that leads to more alcohol abuse?
What do you Skins think?
Gyasi “Fancy Skin” Ross is a member of the Amskapipikuni (Blackfeet Nation) and his family also comes from the Suquamish Tribe. His Pikuni (Blackfoot) name is “Oonikoomsika.” He is co-founder of Native Speaks LLC, a progressive company owned by young Native professionals which provides consultation and instruction for professionals and companies. Gyasi is currently booking dates for his newest presentation, “Mother Lovers: Poetic (and Musical) Justice.” E-mail him at gyasi.ross@gmail.com.
Tuesday, Sep 29 at 11:43 AM Dyani wrote ...
I have been talking about his issue with my boyfriend, who is in recovery, and has no problem with me drinking an occasional beer or glass of wine. I have found that there are no clear answers for this question; no right or wrong approach. If a person drinks it does not mean they are a bad person who is morally bankrupt. We must not be so judgmental, and I believe the consequence of shaming out fellow human beings are pretty grim. "Whatever gets you though the night. Its alright." J. Lennon
29847694Friday, Sep 25 at 3:19 PM ethanol daze 2 wrote ...
...Either way, our perspective about AL is also very dysfunctional, as you point out. Forcing our families and friends to behave in some way by guilting them into it is childish and counterproductive. Natives have a lot of generational trama/karma to clean up. The point is to start somewhere. I think it starts with self love and love for our communities. And of course, talking about it. Let's look at the truth and stop hiding the reality of our culture and history. Let's look at truth..and
29674724Friday, Sep 25 at 3:05 PM ethanol daze 1 wrote ...
Gyasi, you articulated the dichotomy of alcohol (AL) use among Native Americans very well! I personally don't think a single person can answer this question about how to best address AL use among our peoples. Our historical use of AL has caused a lot of pain, dysfunction, violence and loneliness, AND perhaps land loss. As a community we have endured this together, and as individuals we struggle with AL use on different levels. Some of us can use AL without abuse while some of us can't....
29673769Friday, Sep 25 at 1:28 PM Whiskey wrote ...
My alcoholic g-pa would say alcohol wouldn't be bad if he didn't abuse it. Addicts make alcohol bad. People need to take responsibility for their own actions its not the alcohol! I drink, not to get drunk, not to abuse it, but because I am aware of its good and destructive power. I know what wines tasted good with chicken, steak, or desserts. I drink with people who do not abuse it or let it become "bad". I was raised with alcoholics, they taught me what NOT to do. SELF CONTROL PEOPLE! Sheesh!
29667574Wednesday, Sep 23 at 4:41 PM Blackfeet man wrote ...
I was once told that only when we quit seeing alcohol as funny will we seriously address the issue. We laugh and joke about drunkenness - laugh at the staggering - blathering drunk, joke about how drunk someone got, laugh that someone vomited on themselves. "I quit drinking - it was the worst 15 minutes of my life." not funny. Time to stop laughing, its not funny...
29562442Tuesday, Sep 22 at 11:26 AM JSirois wrote ...
Excellent article, great comments as well. The whole point of the article, I believe, is learning a new reality and that we "have" control over that reality. For many of us, we grew up not realizing we can make a better life for ourselves, make better decisions, take control over influences in our lives. Our traditional teachings always talk about being in balance with ourselves and all of our surroundings. WE must work at maintaining a balance in our lives for ourselves and our families.
29495437Tuesday, Sep 22 at 1:38 AM stinketh palthrow wrote ...
I started early and drank hard. Luckily I had parents who-before they stopped drinking in front of us-showed us what moderation is. They model this behavior today, now that my brother and I are grown. When i chose to stop drinking in pursuit of a love interest who would not be with someone who drank, all my friends/relations were amazed. Even now when I tell people I don't drink-but used to-everyone automatically assumes it's because i had a problem with alcohol. that's sad.
29479492Monday, Sep 21 at 7:01 PM ... wrote ...
i dont think its about being predisposed to drink. but if you grew up in a rough environment, and your parents were alcoholics, sometimes you become an addict yourself w/out ever having to drink (the mentality of an addict). i mean basically your dealing with all the same pain and anger, and i think some of us nondrinkers just find other addictions to mask it. i'm a young woman that's never touched alcohol, but that doesn't mean i'm not an alcoholic. i'm an alcoholic who's never drank. u know?
29469206Monday, Sep 21 at 6:16 AM Kamimila41 wrote ...
After reading the article and a quick skim of the comments, I did not see any reference to the fact that many of us (skins) are "allergic" to alcohol. It makes us break out in spots, such as Denver, Skid Row LA etc. I drank when young and got sober in 1990 and haven't had a drink since. Do I condemn alcohol, no. Do I have it in my home, no. Some can drink and others, like me, can't. I also cannot eat breads made with white flour and sweets made with white sugar. I am "allergic"!!!
29433199Friday, Sep 18 at 6:50 PM Alcohol not EVIL?! wrote ...
If you mean in the context of alcohol just sitting there and NOT being consumed, then yeah alcohol is not evil. To me you're saying that all the EVIL behaviors associated with alcohol abuse is not evil but perfectly okay. The atrocities that people commit while drunk are horrendous, especially crimes against children. Many times I have heard parents say,"I can't believe my kid did that when we don't drink." Justifying alcoho/drug use in comparison with others is only an excuse to continue using.
29352087Friday, Sep 18 at 2:35 PM Inyan wrote ...
Great article and great comment thread. I dont like the extreme mentality either. I grew up with no alcohol in the home. But it didn't stop my brothers from drinking, nor myself when I became of age. It definitely needs to be discussed, not sure if there is any one answer or that we need one.
29342214Friday, Sep 18 at 10:51 AM 2ndtimesubmitted wrote ...
I am not a fan of Jung,Freud,Picasso or folk singers whose theories did not originate with them or the ones who go to other countries and take what is not theirs, come back and market it, painting/songs, as if they created it. I don't think we can ever go back 100% as Native American people, and I am glad some practices no longer exist, nose/finger cutting of women, abandonment of physically disabled people,etc.
29331244Friday, Sep 18 at 6:56 AM wabus44 wrote ...
The spirit of alcohol and other drugs are contrary to our spiritual beliefs and culture. It belongs to other peoples. Social drinking is a cop out. If one is going to drink, drink hardy. Otherwise, no alcohol, period. Just because some people can drink "safely" does not make it good for us. Alcohol is the source of genocide. I do agree that people should not be labeled bad if they drink.I know a few nondrinkers who are bad people and vice versa.
29320344Thursday, Sep 17 at 11:14 PM Prairie Weed wrote ...
Great Article, I am a product of a drinking childhood also and have come to grips with the good and bad issues within myself. I believe there is a middle ground and that should be taught to our children, community. There are too many pink elephants in Indian communities and drinking is one of them. Let's look at it, examine it, not just say it is bad and don't look at it. Together we can all find the healing point
29314134Thursday, Sep 17 at 7:04 PM Gyasi wrote ...
Thank you all for your comments. A LOT of different perspectives--wow. Honestly, I cringe when I see the ones that say that "alcohol is evil" and whatnot, because I think that's an unattainable standard. Still, I respect you all's opinion and thank you much for the input and for reading.
29306738Thursday, Sep 17 at 5:38 PM BoozingNotALife wrote ...
Violent crime that affects families for their lifetimes is what may come from a Native and alcohol mix. My father died at the hands of a casual drunkard, violent and bloody, in front of all his children!Yes, I drank to the excess many times in my effort to drown my sorrows-but we are strong survivors, we are Indian, the holy protectors of our universe. Stay true to your indigenous ways, as superior beings that we are-we can live, revive, prosper and dispell alcohol and its evils among the peeps.
29303697Thursday, Sep 17 at 1:33 PM RunningElkWoman wrote ...
We need to go back to our traditions the old ways! The white man’s ways have killed our people for generations. We walked the good red road, we lived the good red way…It breaks my heart to see my brothers and sisters falling to the alcohol, it cannot be used in moderation, it is poison period. Teach the old ways, tell our stories! Too many of our traditions, our sacred ways are being lost! Change is in the air, time is running out!
29291609Thursday, Sep 17 at 1:28 PM Cynical wrote ...
Are you saying that you dont drink??? I dont believbe you!!
29291422Thursday, Sep 17 at 1:16 PM Sara Marie Ortiz wrote ...
Redux 2.0. . . Insightful and compassionate as always, G. Responded by saying this (and only this) earlier: we are all inclined to cast our nets either too wide or not wide enough. The problem has never been alcohol. Still isn't. The deeper, wider issue? A severe lack of fair & equal access to adequate healthcare & education in tribal/Native communities.WE MUST LOOK TO "THE SOURCE" of things, must we not?
29290703Thursday, Sep 17 at 10:14 AM brownskin wrote ...
I think you wrote about me in this article... haha. I grew up in a family of alcoholics, some recovered, some still drinking daily. It seems most Indians can't drink socially. I've never had a problem with it, but i notice as I get older, I have a harder time the next morning, even after only a couple drinks I can see a big difference in my performance! There have been several tragedies in my family and with friends involving booze. I think alcohol should be taxed heavily.
29281129Wednesday, Sep 16 at 6:42 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Hey Jennie, you telling me you're such a good parent you're gonna go shot for shot with your kid.Then walk them through all the sexual questions and positions like a friendly game of twister,no!Everybody needs to chill out. Just live and be happy without being careless, thats it.If you're an uppity NDN who thinks you're better cause you don't drink. I dare you to come off that pedistolle for one beer then go back up. only then you would be setting a positive example of self control to ya tribe.
29255291Wednesday, Sep 16 at 5:10 PM Theresa wrote ...
This is a very important issue that is not discussed.The disease of addiction must be taught to our children. Addiction can be more than alcohol, drugs and gambling. You can be sober and still behave like a drunk. The term is dry drunk. You can also suffer from living with a parent or spouse who is an alcoholic/drunk/gambler and etc. Only through healing and learning about the disease will be stop the genocides of addiciton from our people.
29252129Wednesday, Sep 16 at 2:09 PM Pamela Masterman wrote ...
I thoroughly enjoyed reading the article. Reminded me of seeing my folks fall down - with a beer bottle in the hand....not evening spilling a drop! On the otherhand, this is a very sensitive subject. Thanks for bringing it forward.
29243424Wednesday, Sep 16 at 12:25 PM Puffman wrote ...
Extremes are never a good thing. Natives tend to be very dogmatic about their views on alcohol. It is either good or bad. Like religion and other life style choices, people seem to want to impose their beliefs on others. Why can't we say "what works for me, works for me" and "what works for you, works for you." If God can allow each of us the power of choice, right or wrong, then why can't we as lesser beings than He do the same?
29238071Wednesday, Sep 16 at 11:24 AM Jennie wrote ...
It is a huge issue. I think the abstinence is the answer to all...sex and alcohol are not the answer. Children are going to experiment. So the best position is educating our children on making safe decisions. Unfortunately, education has to come from schools and teachers because parents are not doing it. Again, parents need to step up and be parents. Take care of your children. If your not, be willing to make the right choices for them, even if that means having someone else care for them.
29234691Wednesday, Sep 16 at 12:34 AM Gyasi wrote ...
Curious 206--fair question. How about this: I'm not doing enough. I mean, I could cop out by saying that "I'm a writer--I don't claim to be activist. That's the individual's responsibility." But I think that's corny. The truth is that I can do more--I can always do more, and for that I am accountable. I certainly feel responsibility for being one of those judgmental voices with my nieces/nephews/brother. I try not to repeat that with young ones who come to me for advice.
29214738Tuesday, Sep 15 at 10:51 PM Curious-n-the-206 wrote ...
Wow this blog is really making me think about the topic of alcoholism among our indin people. Gyasi what r U doing in ur own community 2 help with this issue? What has your advice been to your brother,nieces and nephews when they have come to you? and if they havent come to you how will you let them know that they can without disappointment and judgement Im just curious....
29212244Tuesday, Sep 15 at 8:12 PM J wrote ...
Gyasi, this is your best post yet. I didn't really care much for the previous ones, but this one has substance. Significant substance - and it's an issue we need to discuss. I look forward to the day when alcohol is not an issue with Native communities - that day will surely come. I'm sure European and the other cultures currently inhabiting our lands all had issues with alcohol when first introduced to it. Now, not so much. That day will come for us too.
29205356Tuesday, Sep 15 at 7:45 PM Willie Vee wrote ...
OK,OK. Booze-iz-baad, Mm'kay. Actually it's not as bad as being a judgemental sober folk. They're kinda of like those bible thumpers that believe their god is better for some reason. It's time to have some self-controll and present responsibe drinking. If our kids see Dad having a couple without fighting or puking, or openly saying "woah, I'm done." Thats better than the alternative of having no clue when to say when. Because honestly, an NDN is easily addicted and will natually over indulge.
29204209Tuesday, Sep 15 at 5:36 PM Drunk relatives wrote ...
You can't stop them from coming to visit. And when they did my kids would ask me what was wrong with them. Sometimes they'd bring their alcohol/tobacco with them. They soon learned my rules, my chilldren are not bartenders and do not smoke in my house.If you can not control yourself then leave.I can vividly recall my parents physically fighting,honestly it was better when they weren't around.Try not eating, for weeks,no propane,no lights,the humility associated with alcoholism.
29199041Tuesday, Sep 15 at 4:41 PM Calindngirl wrote ...
This is very interesting. I never thought of the middle. As a child, my brother and I would accompany our parents at wild drinking and drug parties, it was crazy. I vowed I would never do this to my children. I have a son and no, there is no alcohol allowed in my house. Family that drinks or under the influence are not allowed either. Your right, I think I am extreme, but there is a middle. I need to learn that, so my son can learn there is a middle. Thank you.
29196691Tuesday, Sep 15 at 3:50 PM Dirty Indian wrote ...
Not talking about alcohol or pretending that it doesn't exist is not the approach to understanding alcohol and Natives I am sure of that. I was never able to not look on at Ick's or the Jug and no take something from. When the spring thaw exposes the the bodies in the snow drifts the whole community is exposed to the harsh realities of not talking about alcohol in Native communities. It affects everyone when there is such despair in our communities and only alcohol seems to numb us to.
29194207Tuesday, Sep 15 at 1:57 PM Functional Indian wrote ...
In Lakota it is said, "Lakota kin otehika," or "to be an Indian is a rough life." Indians have been saying that since their languages were given to them/us. Booze and drug addiction most often occurs when a person/Skin doesn't like themselves and the drug or booze hides that dislike for them for a day, a week, years, whatever. The predisposition of Indians, supposedely anyway, to not be able to drink is nonsense. We come from men and women who made tough choices daily, some today choose poorly.
29188389Tuesday, Sep 15 at 1:24 PM icitall wrote ...
Sometimes I think the effects of alcohol on Indian people harkens back to better times in our collective unconscious (Jungian theory) before european contact; that sense of euphoria that the world is a shiney and lovely place. I know this is the effect it has on me but I also know this is purely illusional. Perhaps this is why NDNs harbor those moments of personal bliss seemingly provided by alcohol. I too have known that sense of powerlessness of dealing with a passed out parent.
29186711Tuesday, Sep 15 at 1:05 PM Picked on for being sober wrote ...
I left this part out due to limited characters: I had some cool friends there who told the other people to lay off, and leave me alone. Not to mention there very FEW other tribal people who respected my decision to be drug and alcohol. Being called "white" is not a compliment, but if the accepted social norm/acquirement for being Native American is that you must drink alcohol then it seems we have a problem with this paradigm.
29185819Tuesday, Sep 15 at 12:05 PM urbanndngal wrote ...
Touched a far reaching nerve on this one Gy...great food for thought. I hope the up & coming gens will have learned by our past relatives mistakes. I know I sure did...watching countless situations involving alcohol, violence and reckless abandon. It was no fun. We def need more positive role models for our kids to emulate (more reeeal people), glad to know you're doing what you can. Keep it up!
29182596Tuesday, Sep 15 at 11:38 AM Rosebud wrote ...
I was raised the youngest of 5 children...by parents who were productive citizens LOL and non drinkers...except for the occasional glass of wine...we ladies sipped while preparing a "special" meal....But the majority of us children (now adults) still struggled with alcohol....I drank in fancy bars...but still wasted many years courting alcohol. My brother says today jokingly when offered a beer.."no thanks;the last time I drank a beer...I was drunk for 5 years"...Alcohol ruins lives...no lie!
29181208Tuesday, Sep 15 at 11:24 AM Gyasi wrote ...
Thank you all for the feedback. "Picked on for being sober", no I certainly didn't get it as bad as some. I'm thankful. My older cousins, even though they picked on me, knew that my only interests at that time were basketball and comic books, so they really didn't let anybody ELSE mess with me too much. :) Just them.
29180494Tuesday, Sep 15 at 10:49 AM Picked on for being sober wrote ...
Rez people can be down right vicious! I was hanging out with friends when these other people showed up and started in on me for not drinking with them."You think you're better than us you white person." My message is if a person doesn't drink leave them alone and don't poison them with this horrible drug.Too many of our relatives have died from it.Gyasi you were lucky all you got were indian burns and tickled,Tribal children go through alot worse, if someone was there it might have stopped.
29178641Tuesday, Sep 15 at 10:44 AM Rob Schmidt wrote ...
Homer Simpson is a functional alcoholic. He regularly loses jobs, money, and belongings because of his drinking. He's almost lost his house and his family because of it. He frequently tries to choke Bart to death, so he's an abusive father too. If your point is that "Skins" need more role models like Homer, I disagree. Homer isn't someone who drinks in moderation. He's a drunk who survives his bouts with alcoholism only because he's a cartoon character.
29178404Tuesday, Sep 15 at 10:30 AM Crispus Attucks. wrote ...
My dad always says every embarassing and regretful thing he has ever done in life involved alcohol. I feel pretty much feel the same way. Alcoholism runs in my family and while I don't drink daily, when I do drink I go hard; too hard. The bright spot is that I don't go as hard as I use and if this trend continues I should be at Homer Simpson levels by the time little ones arrive. Any way, great piece Gyasi.
29177631Tuesday, Sep 15 at 9:46 AM CM wrote ...
I have felt the pain you have and the humuliation of an alcoholic parent. I have taught my daughter about the pains, the fears and the wrongs of alcohol and she (as an adult) has never turned to alcohol. As long as we teach our children, and not hide the pain and humiliation, although they may not totally understand they do listen and when the time comes for them to make a choice the pain and fear that you convey will come out loud and clear.
29175626Tuesday, Sep 15 at 9:30 AM sobemomma wrote ...
upz 2 ur ma who turned it all around, no matter how you spin it, its a move that has FAR MORE POSITIVE implicationz than the drunkenness could ever produce.....Much upz to all the sober parents, I am like your little brothr, the youngest of the 12 siblings who by the time I was getting up in my years, my parents had learned how to raise us without the illz of alcohol.....well me anywayz and I am thankful- thats why I did it for my kids, they'll never know......
29174772Tuesday, Sep 15 at 9:17 AM Chave wrote ...
I don't drink but I also don't look down on those who do. One thing I notice about sober natives is that a lot of them do look down on people who drink, like it is a morality issue, not cause they really care about the person themselves. So a gulf exists and they stay away from one another. Being sober is also used as excuse to be bad in other ways like cheating or being dishonest. It's like its ok to do anything as long as you are sober when you do it.
29173908Tuesday, Sep 15 at 8:30 AM Child of an alcoholic wrote ...
This article def brings terrible memories back and yes we are taught in extremes because I've never personally seen/known an Indian who can drink "socially." My mother is/was an alcoholic and my chance of a happy, stable carefree childhood was never...there was never a chance of it, truly devastating. However, I believe the key to this is just approach the subject head on and talk about it as soon as your kids ask, then you won't blame yourself for what happens should your child have problems
29171557Tuesday, Sep 15 at 7:42 AM RezzCloud wrote ...
You don't have to drink to be an alcoholic or to exhibit out of control alcoholic behavior. Second point, As we read above we see, alcohol intollerance is only one step away from culture police judgementalism.
29169738Tuesday, Sep 15 at 2:10 AM SouthDakotaPark wrote ...
In my early 30s' I decided to have zero tolerance for the abuse of alcohol, this was after it had devastated my family and my childhood. I couldn't allow the NDN/alcohol thing to wreak havoc anymore. So I imposed my own zero tolerance policy for alcoholic adults. It was harsh but it worked. A few of us can drink socially, wine with dinner or some beer with football, most of us cannot. The drinkers and druggies have to understand that we can't accept any more excuses from them. That's it.
29164642Tuesday, Sep 15 at 1:01 AM Gloria wrote ...
Has too much time passed since R. v Drybones? Unfortunate reality. Alcohol has essentialized Indian identity - making breweries happy. Alcohol and Indians result in fetal alcohol spectrum disorder, or 'toxic sugar babies'. I don't believe in the good/bad dichotomy any more than I believe in the drunken Indian stereotype. Teaching moderation involves planning for a future many 'skins' don't feel they have. Underlying Drybones is legislated control not freedom to be inebriated off reserve.
29163893Monday, Sep 14 at 11:56 PM She goes by So Today I Feel wrote ...
I struggle. So Today I Feel one way about booze, tomorrow I feel another way. The day after I always feel "that one way", but would rather never feel that way any day! I see more negative than positive from it overall. A guy once said, do you know how to help an alcoholic?? Then he said, you buy 'em a drink. The faster they get to the bottom, they'll either die or want to head back up. Then he bought me a drink...? I took it rather then say, are you trying to say something?
29162887Monday, Sep 14 at 10:51 PM Abstainer wrote ...
You can always tell a chick parties hard by the shape of their body: they look like Dog's wife at 23-especially if they had a baby. Skin men wear huge t-shirts starting at age 25 to hide their Homer gut and manboobs. Then they all get diabetes, but they blame food and not working out. No, it's because you drink. I don't drink because I'm a control freak and I don't like the feeling. My kids aren't allowed to get diabetes and that's that.
29161196Monday, Sep 14 at 10:12 PM mac travis wrote ...
alcohol is not a part of a skin's culture. alcohol was invented by the europeans so it's a part of them. skins are original people of this continent and our good times are original and not distorted by a drug. if we drink, our kids will drink and if we smoke and cuss around our
29159957Monday, Sep 14 at 10:12 PM roncla wrote ...
On our rez, liquor was a way of life. When you got to be 14 or 15 it was almost a rite of passage to take your first drink. I got into it at 15, but I was wise enough, having seen my father struggle as a bad alcoholic, to quit in my 20s. Many of my friends did not quit and they are either not here or they look so old. Are we predisposed to alcohol use? When I learned about FAS, I think it is entirely possible that whole generations of Indian people have been affected by their ancestors' use.
29159956Monday, Sep 14 at 10:11 PM kbaze wrote ...
Good blog Gyasi. Sadly most of us grow up with a similar story...My dad just got sober cold turkey one day after probably 20 years of drinking alot. When I was a kid he drank but socially and it grew into addiction when I was a teen. Its really strange now because many of us avoid talking to him about his drinking and sobriety. I am thankful that my kids get a sober grandpa but they won't value it like I will unless I teach them...somehow?
29159946Monday, Sep 14 at 10:09 PM Amber quick bear wrote ...
Everything that I have read so far is incredibly true and yet somehow vague. One thing that I really believe to be true is the fact that alcohol is truly a very addicting drug, so mayhaps The addictted need to be truly loved and accepted just the way they are because in the end Love changes all things and in the case of alcohol addiction, Love will truly help them find their inner strength. LOve, Laughter and Grief, we all need tons of it.
29159849Monday, Sep 14 at 8:28 PM Skin-ny Girl wrote ...
First 8 yrs. of my life I saw alcohol abused by my parents. They used to drag me to parties etc. because they didn't want to hear a lecture from my grandparents(baby-sitters), who, ironically, were responsible social drinkers. Alcohol intensified an already very abusive, dysfunctional environment. Seeing your mom falling down drunk changes you somehow. I hardly ever drink due to the stuff I saw my parents do. As far as kids go, I agree with kitskaniip. All things in moderation.
29156189Monday, Sep 14 at 8:17 PM Aleutgirl wrote ...
That's tough. If we are predisposed to the disease how much good will the condeming do? I feel like I was well educated to the perils when I got to drinking age. I was also kept under close watch growing up, not much room to stray. My current relationship is now ending because he refuses to even contimplate he has an issue, and I refuse to live inconstant fear of the next binge. His whole immediate family is or was an addict of some sort but he won't look in the mirror. Beyond tragic.
29155797Monday, Sep 14 at 7:31 PM JuliaV wrote ...
I was a teenager who stayed completely away from alcohol. Alcohol was associated with fear. Fear of being seriously hurt, and no one to go to for help. I grew up surrounded by incredibly dysfunctional people who denied the existence of abuse issues. Not just relatives, but a dysfunctional community as well. My parents never admitted to having problems with alcohol or to being abusers, drunk or sober. Their family, friends, and church all defended them. I was lying. How convenient for them.
29154164Monday, Sep 14 at 5:51 PM Kitskaniip wrote ...
Anything used in extreme, salt, sugar, frybread, or alcohol is not good for you. Kids will understand that. The four major elements that make up alcohol are the same as humans. Alcohol has a spirit that will completely take over your body if you allow it to do so. we see it every day in NDN Country, if not in our homes, in our communities and on our streets, so do our children, and the most we can do is point out how pitiful they are and let them be an example of How not to be.
29150798Monday, Sep 14 at 3:09 PM good question... wrote ...
I grew up w/ NO alcohol in the home. It was "forbidden". My father was an alcoholic. My two older sisters and older brother grew up with him that way, but he sobered up when i was born. Every time my father told me alchohol was bad and i shouldn't drink it, I got more curious. I'm glad to say I didn't get addicted. I can still have a "social" drink here and there to this day. But I do have children now and worry about them - will they be responsible about it?? they saw their dad get drunk.
29144204Monday, Sep 14 at 2:44 PM Being raised by in an alcoholic environment wrote ...
Adult children of alcoholics. My parents died from alcohol.It seemed like they always had reasons for drinking and then they wanted us to excuse their behavior,and there was nothing we could do about it, AS CHILDREN.Now that I am older I made my own decisions about alot of that life style. It is my children I worry about,there are still people out there who use alcohol as a panacea,or treat it as a RITE OF PASSAGE when one turns 18 or younger.Mr. Ross Where are you going with all this feedback?
29142979Monday, Sep 14 at 2:15 PM Okie Shoban wrote ...
If we maintain a job, take care of our kids, work out everyday, and continue to focus on our goals are we not aloud to drink just because we are Indian? I have people in my family that cannot drink at all, period or they will be in jail so I understand. I think of my kids and I want there to be a better approach to alcohol, I don't choose for them to drink but I also don't want them to be thrown to the wolves, like I was, I see other cultures slowly allow theirs experimentation with it. IDK???
29141644Monday, Sep 14 at 1:45 PM thinkinginseattle wrote ...
man just has me thinking- so many feeling about alcohol- all the implications and the feelings that are attached when you are raised by an alcoholic- how do you find that balance with alcohol- I think it is about talking about not moving on and forgetting- you learn from your history- the more you make something sensationalized and hands off the more curious kids/people get.
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