Story Created:
Sep 9, 2009
Procreating with someone other than a Skin was never really an option for me.
Having said that, it’s very difficult to find a suitable Skin mate.
See, my mom was lovingly prejudiced about me and my siblings’ mates. Now, she wasn’t “prejudiced” in that she hated anyone or she made inappropriate gestures to mock other races. Never that! Instead, she was prejudiced in that no one, of any ethnicity, was good enough for her kids. However, she was openly very suspicious of non-Skins. Therefore, my family’s mantra was, “date who you want, but when it’s time for the pitter-patter of little feet, do the right thing.” And in my family, “the right thing” meant having bushy-haired babies with a Skin.
Oh yeah, to my mom, not even all tribes were created equal for baby-making purposes. Like I said, “lovingly prejudiced.”
So, to the women in my family, “the right thing” meant that I was going to marry a Skin. It was a protocol thing; since these wonderful Skin women – my sisters and mom – sacrificed so much commod meatball stew and fruit cocktail to raise me they figured I should reciprocate by being with someone who looks like them. Still, growing up in a family with a single-mother, two (very strong and belligerent) older sisters and umpteen girl cousins, I would be lying if I pretended there wasn’t any element of physical intimidation involved. I feared for my life and safety, therefore the women in my family dictated a decent part of my dating/mating habits.
I was caught between the proverbial rock and hard place. Although there were only 16 Skins girls in the whole USA, I had to find one that was 1) hopefully attractive, and 2) matched my (few) morals and ideals. And music tastes. Consequently, I’ve been forced to do some ridiculously shameful/shameless things to ensure that I had a decent pool of Skin women with whom to socialize. I mean, Lord knows that it’s sometimes hard enough to find an actual, real life Skin chick in some of the cities I’ve lived in. What lengths will a man, under extreme pressure from his family, go to find a snag, mate, baby’s mother, girlfriend and wife (in that order)? The answer: A lot.
THE WEB
Plenty of my Skin friends have hooked up with their mates via the Web. Yet, Internet romances were a pretty big disappointment for me.
For example, the longest I maintained an Internet romance was six months . We had to cut it off when I discovered that she was really 53 (or was she?). She sent me pictures of her granddaughter and told me it was her. I initially thought that this was very odd and maybe slightly gross, but then my opinion changed and I thought that it was strangely hot. Keep in mind, this was before facebook and all the other social dating sites [http://www.myrezspace.org/] – in my days of Internet romance, pictures were pixilated, deceptive and evil. Even though I wasn’t always the pickiest lad as a youngster, I can honestly say that the low quality pictures were sometimes to blame for my questionable choices. Honestly. For real.
In any event, it’s safe to say that I completely understand Kip’s frustration at Lafawnduh for not sending him a full body shot.
POW-WOWS
Another (supposed) forum for meeting young Skin women was pow-wows. I’ve met a few girls at pow-wows; usually we’d be forced to unceremoniously break up when we learned that we were related (via one of my frisky uncles who migrated up to Sarcee and started a whole new tribe – literally. (Blackfeet men and Cree women. Sigh). From an early age, my friends and I were taught to look for our prospective mates at pow-wows. We walked endlessly – marathon-style – around the outer perimeter of the pow-wow arbor or stadium, “wookin pa nub” by the hand games. Or by the homemade lemonade stand. Or by the hippie/Czechoslovakian vendor’s stand, who ended up making more money selling “traditional” items than all the Skin vendors combined. Must be the patchouli.
I remember traveling millions of miles to attend pow-wows for the goal of meeting one “possible” prospect: A young Skin lady who had the attributes I was looking for at the time. The vast majority of the time those attributes looked like this: 1) a decent hand in the kitchen (baking is a bonus); 2) a DVD/VHS combo player; and 3) a car with decent gas mileage that had cruise control. I didn’t ask for much. Still, it seemed like my humble requests never came to fruition. And I’d get frustrated.
Just then my mom’s voice played in my mind: “Eugenics, young lad. Your bushy-haired children will one day appreciate your sacrifice. Just as soon as they get past the pain of the odd “ethnic” names you will inevitably give them.”
Touché.
COLLEGES
I’ve always been a very observant person. For example, when I was at Haskell – due to my always-thorough inspection of the various female students’ lips – I could tell which particular young lady gave my lovestruck friends their Haskell Love Marks, a.k.a. “hickeys.” A lot of my friends thought that – along with SAT/ACT scores and a solid GPA – hickeys were one of the admission requirements at Haskell. And so my friends – diligent students they were – wanted to guarantee their admission.
A lot of my friends are Haskell babies; a whole bunch more of my friends have Haskell babies. All of them are beautiful kids, some of them named after the dorms where they were conceived: “Lil’ Osceola, come here now!” or “Winona, I thought I told you to brush your teeth!” or “Sequoyah, pick up your feet when you walk!” I mean, I guess it’s setting the kid up with pretty high expectations; name them after a dorm at an institute of higher education and those kids better be doctors!
The naming thing makes you wonder why there aren’t more Skin kids named after prominent pow-wows, since pow-wows – like Haskell dorms – are a major contributor to the Skin repopulating process. “Isn’t baby Julyamsh so cute?” or, “I’m gonna take lil’ United Tribes to the pediatrician today,” or “Crow Fair, come over here right now!”
Ok. I guess I see why that wouldn’t work.
But I digress.
Anyway, I won’t single out any school – it’s just easier to pick on schools I attended. The truth is that most schools – Skin and non – have a pretty good reproduction track record. I had a great time and met many incredible friends at Haskell. I feel kinda left out though – I never really had a snag/mate/baby’s mother/girlfriend/wife while I was there. Maybe I needed to be more committed to the “way of the hickey” – y’know, spoons in freezers and turtlenecks.
It was slightly different at non-Skin colleges. At “mainstream” colleges, the Skin men took inventory of the female Skin population immediately – instantly deciding whether she carried good genes or not. I mean, at these non-Skin schools 99.9 percent of the population was non-Skin, so you had to be aggressive and quick! Every female Skin was fair game and it was every Skin man for himself – we never knew if we were going to run into another female Skin again.
So we had to sniff around every one – make sure that she wasn’t The One.
Ah, the sweet smell of desperation; always sexy in a man.
My acts of romantic madness remind me of that song by Meatloaf, “I’d Do Anything For Love (But I Won’t Do That).” What exactly was the “that” that he would not do? He’s probably like me – shameless, willing to encounter pretty much any indignity or embarrassment. Sigh.
Anyway, I’ve heard many amazing stories and feats done in the name of Skin love. For example, a close friend told me about paddling a canoe (seriously) many miles to find his bride on a neighboring island. Another told me how he opted to move during relocation, got a stable job in the city, but couldn’t forget his childhood love at home, so he hitchhiked back and married her. Another spoke about staying pen pals with a friend from boarding schools for over 15 years until they had the opportunity to meet again. They later got married and had umpteen kids.
Lots of questions.
Is having children with a Skin important to you (or your family)? What if there is a lack of suitable Skin options? Does focusing on kids make Skins unromantic? Are Skins still romantic? Are there still stories of Skin romance? Do any of you have interesting, shocking, or beautiful stories about how you found your love?
What do you Skins think?
Gyasi “Fancy Skin” Ross is a member of the Amskapipikuni (Blackfeet Nation) and his family also comes from the Suquamish Tribe. His Pikuni (Blackfoot) name is “Oonikoomsika.” He is co-founder of Native Speaks LLC, a progressive company owned by young Native professionals which provides consultation and instruction for professionals and companies. Gyasi is currently booking dates for his newest presentation, “Mother Lovers: Poetic (and Musical) Justice.” E-mail him at gyasi.ross@gmail.com.
Thursday, Oct 15 at 7:28 AM seaoftears wrote ...
CONT. from the same race, tribe or faith! Or wanting your child to do the same. This does not make a person a racist. What is even of more importance is to learn your culture,understand it, make it a part of your daily life, treasure it and be proud of it, then teach it to your children with the same love it was taught to you.
30605103Thursday, Oct 15 at 7:16 AM seaoftears wrote ...
Just like the NA people, their culture is used as a tourist attraction. Now the goverment has moved to the mid east. And what are they doing? Working to destory another people's faith and culture, and mold them into little puppets of democracy. Do you see the importance of knowing your culture and teaching it to your children, regardless of who you marry? However, there is no shame in wanting to marry someone
30604698Thursday, Oct 15 at 7:04 AM Anonymous wrote ...
Forget the monster causing their unhappiness. As the people continue to fight with each other, not only do they forget the ways of their people, the goverment is taking away more of their rights while watching the people become weaker, devided, and no longer a threat. Look at hawaii. Due to the US goverment "discovering" Hawaii, and doing the same thing they did to our country and the NA people. Sadly, there are NO true Hawaian people left. And their culture is all but destoried.
30604311Thursday, Oct 15 at 6:49 AM seaoftears wrote ...
Why do you think they forced NA children to go to goverment run schools, taken from their parents, punished for speaking anything but english? This was to destory their culture, mold them into what the dictators of the time decided them to be. NA are(not were, ARE) a strong people, a spirit filled people, that are feared by the goverment. It is a way to control an entire population of people. Destory thir culture, create conflict amonst them, so that they fight with each other, and soon (cont)
30603887Thursday, Oct 15 at 6:34 AM seaoftears wrote ...
cont. I refused to allow my sons to be taught the goverment lies of history. Ok, let me get to my point here. I loved this article. Yes it made me laugh, but also screamed of truth. To those of you that are NA, mixed or otherwise, your culture, the history and traditions of your people are of the greatest importance. To allow these things to be lost and forgotten as each generation passes is just what the US goverment wanted to happen.
30603396Thursday, Oct 15 at 6:24 AM seaoftears wrote ...
cont. As my children grew, I wanted them to know their culture.Living in Alabama, we do not have the support system so badly needed in order to teach our children the true ways of their people. What we have are goverment designed, goverment run classes taught by white people claiming to be NA. Only children of NA bloodlines can go to these classes. These classes last about 1 hour, one time a week for about 6 weeks. They basicly do crafts. I did not allow my kids to go, and ended up homeschoolin
30603157Thursday, Oct 15 at 6:11 AM seaoftears wrote ...
pt1 I am a 50 year old mixed woman.(mostly white) I married a 3/4 NA man. (Kickapoo/Creek) We had 2 beautiful brown skin,chubby sons. We are now divorced, but I am still apart of his family. I have never heard anyone in my ex's family speak of marrying a 'skin', however I started talking to my sons at a young age about this.
30602817Monday, Sep 28 at 4:33 AM hayngen wrote ...
i love this article! it's hilarious! i've posted a similar blog on my myspace.
29773229Friday, Sep 25 at 3:27 PM pasty white wrote ...
i'm a proud beautiful skin woman, and I'm married an incredible pasty white man. I love him and I love me. Race IS NOT AN ISSUE. Let's move on people.
29675257Friday, Sep 25 at 1:37 PM Whiskey wrote ...
MY goal is to love fiercely and bring out the beauty in my beautiful 'skin' man! So leave the oppressive, assimilated, colonized baggage behind and walk with love, beauty and an open mind. [Men: if your lady has this kind of motivation, trust and love her fiercely back] And when I write 'fierce' I mean passionately, wholeheartedly back.
29668119Friday, Sep 18 at 2:46 PM skin-o-matic wrote ...
If you truly love someone, your going to be love with them just the same as the day you first laid eyes on them! My grandparents have been married for 64 years now and they still hold hands and look into each others eyes like they are still in their teens. It's beautiful!!
29342759Friday, Sep 18 at 2:34 PM Have no problem marrying a skin. wrote ...
But we do have interracial marriage in our family. Funny how my nieces, nephews, cousins do not think of themselves as the other race though.Although they definitely look like the other race,to leave is definitely out.I remember my angry cousin calling home for their CIB because IHS would not provide treatment. "They think I'm just a white person."Historically other races were adopted into the tribe and never left.Oh and by the way I am full blooded NA and I do not have a flat butt.
29342147Friday, Sep 18 at 1:20 PM To Hehaka wrote ...
I don't get you, you act all traditional and such but if you really were you would not dissect people like the gov't did. A true traditional person knows you can't divide someone up with the blood quantum set by the gov't. Being Skins is in our hearts and I know a lot of white people who are more Skin than you. They get it and you don't. Keep your views to yourself. I for one will not read your noarrow minded comments if I see your name. Humbleness is a Lakota virtue that you didn't learn.
29338657Friday, Sep 18 at 10:47 AM Romance Dead? I don't think so... wrote ...
Our Tribal Chairman who is in his 70's got on the radio and sang a song in our language to his wife of more than 50 years!!! Isn't that romantic! He cleared his throat and asked for water before he started too!
29331019Thursday, Sep 17 at 7:06 PM Gyasi wrote ...
Hey everybody, thank you all for the comments. I appreciate all the perspectives, and certainly don't mind criticism. That said, regardless of the imperfect messenger (me!!), I think that questions are legitimate. So I'm curious if we can still answer the questions in the midst of the critique? :) Thanks!!
29306787Thursday, Sep 17 at 2:14 PM @ Okie Sho Ban wrote ...
that was the funniest thing that i have ever read!! you're just mad that you have a flat butt!! kills straight is like some of these other people who dont read the article but just want to say mean things!! why? is your life that pitiful?? kills straight, these articles are fun. get the self righteous and racist stick out of your butt and have some fun enit? hoka!! crack a smile flatbutt!
29293652Thursday, Sep 17 at 1:02 PM Kim P wrote ...
My comment got kicked out of the Homer Simpson blog G but I left a comment and sent you an email. Thanks for the work that you do
29290124Thursday, Sep 17 at 12:53 PM ~butterfly~ wrote ...
Its good to bring these issues to light. Its funny when people choose to attack people but dont want to talk about the ideas and issues that are brung up. They call that crabs in a bucket. Theres a saying that says that great minds talk about ideas and small minds talk about people. You guys talk about people alot.
29289667Thursday, Sep 17 at 10:28 AM Educated NDN men wrote ...
What is it with these guys? They get introduced to the outside world,and they lose sense of who they are.It sounds like people know you Gyasi. I know NDN men on our rez who are called womanizer's, some have 5 kids with 5 women, hard to keep track. These men need to think about the gene pool, and the mother's had to tell the Kids, hey thats your relative, like what happened with you.This is not responsible fatherhood,if all a guy is after is a good time he should be up front with it.
29281877Thursday, Sep 17 at 9:56 AM over em wrote ...
Succesful indian men and their egos! there's no room for anyone else!!!
29280217Thursday, Sep 17 at 9:55 AM indian girl in a white world wrote ...
i have so many educated, professional, smart, lovely Native women friends who are still waiting for the right Indian man. sad! due to my tribes traditional lifestyle it only served me right to be with someone from my own tribe so that we could do ceremonies together and such. the main thing i noticed, as an educated indian woman, is the ego of men of the same caliber. give an indian man a degree or put some change in his pocket and he thinks he's the 2nd coming! kind of like the writer of this!
29280178Thursday, Sep 17 at 9:52 AM nativegoddess wrote ...
i agree with "native scene" above that an article like this, written by a known womanizer, is ironic. as if he is really looking for the right woman! he wants them all!!!
29280029Tuesday, Sep 15 at 4:37 PM Sara Marie Ortiz wrote ...
(((Siiiiiiigh))) Ah, G. Another insightful, honest, personal, portrayal of your singular lens. But I want more details! Like now, for instance. Your modern-day True (Skin) Romance. You. Baby boy. Mama, doing her "thang". I'm most fascinated at that. And me? As of late, I found the love of my life, a young, handsome, brilliant, creative, strong, emotionally intelligent Skin. . . and lost him. Why? Because I started law school? Mayhap. Because history is still governing our Now? Maybe. Onward...
29196521Tuesday, Sep 15 at 3:51 PM Southwest Bannock Bread? wrote ...
I guess a form of bannock bread in the southwest would be "oven bread". You take a slab of dough, rub it with shortening,slap it in a cast iron frying pan,then cook it in a hot oven or over hot coals. The term "skin" sounds scary with walker. Willie Vee! So is this a business? You want travel and perdiem now? My grandparents had an arranged marriage, so did my great parents...Nothing new...
29194281Monday, Sep 14 at 9:12 PM Mohawk Mama wrote ...
Furthermore, I love that we can call one another skins...I prefer that over "Indian" anyday. So go on you Fancy Skin, we are listenin'.
29157822Monday, Sep 14 at 9:09 PM Mohawk Mama wrote ...
I met my husband when we were babies, our parents used to date and promised us to one another way back in the day...now we have five children and a crazy, challenging and wonderful life. I think the responsibility to find your mate also lies with those women you speak of, if they are telling you to chose right, maybe they should supply options to chose from. With my five kids I am already looking for suitable mates for them and teasingly say how "I am accepting resumes for so and so". Good luck.
29157678Monday, Sep 14 at 7:43 PM Willie Vee wrote ...
Ladies please, There's plenty for everyone! Like I said before, just ask Gyasi Ross to send your e-mail undresses, I mean addresses to me. I am eligible to bestow one of two tribes upon your new offspring. Don't worry, I have an NDN status card, if thats what you're all wondering. For a limited time only, I will splash my seed for FREE! Provided my transportation, food and lodging costs are payed for. Serious inquires only
29154621Monday, Sep 14 at 1:18 PM Okie-ShoBan wrote ...
J. Kills Straight, U are ignorant to make racial comments. I am married to an Indian man because thats my preference but we both have Black heritage, 1/4 Black I am. My parents are the same tribe from the same FortHall reservation. I am nothing but an asset to my tribe. They feature me in our sports section for excellance in Marathon running, being a role model in general. One Black Sho-ban girl was our tribal queen 2 years back, and another is a Chemist. U r jealous because u have a flat butt!
29139251Monday, Sep 14 at 12:38 PM Cherokee Okla Chick wrote ...
As a young native woman i would totally agree with the "do the right thing" saying. I'm a college student getting my nursing degree and i have got to say, native people should be with native people! No questions asked. It is the way that i was taught. I have no children of my own but i look at different tribes and see a few as a potential mate. As a full blood Cherokee i look at many many different tribes, I love the plains tribes
29137293Monday, Sep 14 at 11:45 AM Winona wrote ...
Hey dude wheres the new article?
29134801Monday, Sep 14 at 10:56 AM Change Courting Ways wrote ...
I think some of us did not have a choice about the weird behavior imposed on us. We have stories in our family that are funny but hurtful too. Your comment reminds me of professors I had about 10 years ago when a student posed the question on what is NORMAL in a relationship? They said,"Whatever is normal for that couple."So If you like bannock, hickies, and dysfunction in your family...I don't like the term skin either,kind of scary. Hey Willie what tribe are you?
29132352Sunday, Sep 13 at 7:58 PM Mi'kmaq wrote ...
Willie Vee?....you're too much.
29108343Sunday, Sep 13 at 1:03 AM NoSooner wrote ...
People in Okla say skin all the time, Mr "J Kills Straight". Instead of worrying about peoples ethnic background, why don't you decide which tribe you want to fabricate as your own. I see you alternating between Santee and Oglala all over the internet. I'm sure you have many other names and nationalities which you make up in cyberspace. Get a job and take a break from the net please.
29084021Saturday, Sep 12 at 10:03 PM Meee wrote ...
Thanks for making me laugh and sigh at the same time. True, True, it's all true. It's just as, if not, harder for NA women to find suitable suitors? Especially Urban ones. I do think we should keep it Red tho. All you have to do is look at the CNO and Chickasaw and know the reason why. I have a 17 year old and if he marries one day, I am praying he will find a nice native girl, someone he can relate to. As for me, I'm a lost cause. Lucky in love I ain't ever been.
29080954Saturday, Sep 12 at 5:04 PM Mi'kmaq wrote ...
I refrained from mentioning the salacious sounds.
29073063Saturday, Sep 12 at 4:28 PM Mi'kmaq wrote ...
"Skins" has never been a derogatory term; now....back to "snagging"....which happened quite frequently at Powwows. I remember hearing those tents zipping and unzipping, Teepees shaking and flapping, and RV doors banging(no wind, mind you)....well....the RV people had all the amenities to boot. The following day, through the "Moccasin Telegraph", everyone knew who got "snagged".
29072161Saturday, Sep 12 at 2:01 PM Bannock Eater wrote ...
"Bannock" is a type of baked bread that goes very good with stew. I think that its mainly eaten up here in the northern plains. Maybe its eaten in navajoland im not sure. but it goes great with stew!
29068672Saturday, Sep 12 at 1:58 PM Connie John wrote ...
Willie, thats very nice of you to offer your services. Very generous.
29068596Saturday, Sep 12 at 1:25 PM J.kills Straight wrote ...
First, stop referring to Indians as "skins". It's a derogatory term that took us older Indians a long time to purge. Secondly, stop your incessant crying game. You're a pathetic sociopath. Your stupid opinions on Native issues are narcissistic and self-serving. You are the prime example why Indians and Blacks should not procreate. Indians are inherently xenophobic. You think with your Black head instead of your alleged "skin" one.
29067794Saturday, Sep 12 at 1:11 PM Willie Vee wrote ...
LADIES - If you're looking to have a skin baby, look no further! I will supply any skin woman with a skin baby for a small fee. Plus I'll even supply these services in a truely traditional fasion. And if you act fast, I'll provide the hickies at no extra cost. Serious inquires only, just ask Gyasi Ross to send me your email's.
29067474Friday, Sep 11 at 9:40 PM Navajo Educator wrote ...
What's bannock? hehe
29049693Friday, Sep 11 at 6:03 PM Gyasi wrote ...
"Change Our Courting Ways", good point!! It DOES seem unhealthy, eh? Sort of like in baseball, with Manny Ramirez, and people say it's just "Manny being Manny." We accept weird behavior. Admittedly, I have a lot of stuff that is "normal" to me, that probably wouldn't be normal to most people. So growing up in that culture of hickies, transitory families, etc, I can laugh at my family's and my behavior. That doesn't make it right or mean that other people should emulate it. Great point!
29043491Friday, Sep 11 at 5:04 PM Okie Sho-Ban wrote ...
There's a powwow announcer who tells the same lame joke, the difference between an Indian man & White man is that the Whiteman has to get up & go to work in the morning and the Indian man gets to stay home and make love all day because he has no job!!! hahaha
29041674Friday, Sep 11 at 3:47 PM heya Mikst wrote ...
Just wanted to let you know that I agree with your comments and that not everyone reading these articles has the same race/blood/purity perspective. A pretty funny book I recently read had an elder comment about a mixed marriage and say warmly that there ain't enough blonde ndns. Take heart.
29038702Friday, Sep 11 at 3:32 PM Change our courting ways wrote ...
While I find your article funny, it is sad in a way. Children born out of the "moment" maybe not knowing who his/her father/mother is. Skin Romance is also scary, stalking is now a crime on some reservations. Hickey's are a form of abuse, claiming in a way. When an NDN man hits that doesn't mean he loves you. These behaviors are not signs of a healthy relastionship. We have high rates of physical abuse on rez's. Any kind of abuse for that matter.
29038084Friday, Sep 11 at 11:31 AM Swan wrote ...
A friend of mine honestly told me that his first marriage was only lust not love. Then he went to tell me of all the crazy things he did wrong in that relationship...Snag, hickey, bushy haired babies, started his own tribe! I could not stop laughing at all of this! Personally my children are 4/4 NDN different tribes but enough to retain membership. That is my message to my children. Another friend told me, A man's a man, doesn't matter what race he is, canoe or not.
29026476Friday, Sep 11 at 10:45 AM Pueb-boi wrote ...
I would never marry a girl from my pueblo. For us, outside of that in terms of arguing for "preservation of the bloodline", it doesn't matter if she's NDN or not.
29024274Friday, Sep 11 at 4:39 AM Erik from Denmark wrote ...
Just a generel observation from a danish Viking... I really appreciate your humor - it's outstanding. Thanks :o)
29010971Thursday, Sep 10 at 10:39 PM nativedude wrote ...
I think a native person pursuing a career will eventually find a single native harder to find to start a new family, as a native guy I seriously think Asian women are a suitable choice to consider, seeing there standards are very high and there cultural, societal norms are similar.
29005721Thursday, Sep 10 at 3:16 PM To Jennie wrote ...
That's a lovely story and viewpoint. Romance wasn't important at all? I think there was a part 2 that got cut out, eh?
28990508Thursday, Sep 10 at 2:22 PM Jennie (continued part 3) wrote ...
with similar values, beliefs, and goals or at least someone open to compromise. Then, I needed someone who was dependable. Someone who would be there no matter what. He wouldn't leave me and our child when it got too tough for him. Lastly, someone who would be faithful. Romance did not factor into my equation. I miss it and long for it, but I have so much more in comparison...oh and my baby's daddy, best friend, and significant other is Black...not Skin. Our daughter is beautiful.
28987938Thursday, Sep 10 at 2:16 PM Jennie (continued) wrote ...
...more special than anyone else to deserve such luck. I don't believe in God or Gods so I had to figure out what was most important to me...ethnicity or values, ethnicity or beliefs, ethnicity or growing up in the same messed up, abusive, family that I did. What it came down to was that I wanted someone who had a different upbringing, not better but definitely not worse. How could we possible make things better for our children if were both dealing with the same issues? Next, I needed someone..
28987654Thursday, Sep 10 at 2:01 PM callingpeepsout wrote ...
interesting article- arent you of mixed heritage? how has that worked out for you? seems to have been an asset and not a detriment
28987001Thursday, Sep 10 at 1:48 PM A dine woman wrote ...
I certainly did have long thoughts about marrying a "skin" I knew that they would understand culture and traditions. On the other hand trying to find someone educated often puts you in the "apple" category and still singling yourself out from everyone else who are in the stereo-type ndns. Myself I have been called an "apple", just because my parents always told me there is more to world than my own front yard. In the end we are left to pick and choose the pros and cons of non "skin" and "skin".
28986371Thursday, Sep 10 at 12:32 PM J F Sebastian wrote ...
A toast to Indian women with or without a CDIB, (with a little help from CCR). "Some say they will, some say they might, but here's to the Indian Girls, who dance barefoot in the moonlight!" EE-Haw!!
28982514Thursday, Sep 10 at 12:02 PM Seneca Native wrote ...
What a great article! After 32 years I just married my California native man.We have children and they are with natives as well. When they were young we told them they can wipe out there native blood in 3 generations of marrying non-Indians and their grandchildren would not be considered Indian. I think this is what most non-Indians don't understand.
28981011Thursday, Sep 10 at 10:06 AM Hehaka wrote ...
To add a little more to what I was saying. I think NA men, and women need to look a little deeper into what they want in a partner. Rather then whether or not he, or she is educated, handsome, beautiful, wealthy,etc. It's more important for our children to know their language, and to grow up with their traditions. That is what we should be striving to teach our children.
28974607Thursday, Sep 10 at 10:00 AM Yakamama wrote ...
I'm one of those skin moms that encouraged my kids to hook up with another skin. During their school days if they came home and said they were interested in someone my first question was, "What tribe are they from?" Today I have skin grandchildren and feel very lucky/proud!
28974277Thursday, Sep 10 at 9:57 AM Yakamama wrote ...
I'm one of those skin moms that encouraged her kids to hook up with another skin. During their schools days they'd tell me they were interested in someone, my first question was, "What tribe are they from?" Today I have tribal grandchildren and fell very lucky!
28974161Thursday, Sep 10 at 9:57 AM Mikst wrote ...
If you are raised in your culture and taught your culture it doesn't matter if you are mixed or not. This world is already hard enough on Native people and now Native people want to make it hard on mixed Native people like myself. My partner was instilled in this same idea by his mother to find a native. Their quote when something like this "Better inbred than outbred". I think that speaks volumes in itself. However my partner saw that that Natives get the most racism from other Natives...
28974124Thursday, Sep 10 at 9:53 AM Yakamama wrote ...
I'm one of those skin moms that encouraged to marry another skin. During the school days when the kids would tell me they were interested in someone my first question was, "What tribe are they from?" Luckily I have tribal grandchildren.
28973917Thursday, Sep 10 at 9:52 AM Mikst wrote ...
The comments on here about how there are "too many inter-racial babies" and how being mixed is a bad thing are downright apalling. Where does that leave someone like me who is a mixed native? Then there are comments where people brag about having native babies and saying the had native babies because their partners are native, well you know what? If your native your children will be native regardless of what your partner is. Being mixed doesn't mean you are any less involved in your culture.
28973872Thursday, Sep 10 at 9:13 AM Hehaka wrote ...
As NA, we are a very small minority compared to the dominant culture. With that being said, we also have the highest rates of inter-marrying with other races. To me that is a sad fact. With each inter-racial child, we lose a little bit of our traditions. Whether we think about that or not. It's hard enough keeping our ceremonies, and languages alive. Then it makes it even harder when the children have to consider which culture to become a part of.
28971856Thursday, Sep 10 at 7:52 AM Pure ReZ NdN LaDy wrote ...
I love NdN man who Love ndn Women!! - My dad married my mom and I bet she could top the list of mean ndn moms, but he loves her. So I agree, and my sisters and I all have skin babies? As for good skin men, I only know one, my dad! (Love you at;e)
28968169Thursday, Sep 10 at 2:40 AM cheyen1464 wrote ...
Where were you when I was looking for a Native Man? Good NA women are out there. They are successful, independent and looking for an equally "successful" man. What is that. Its all relative. As for myself, I own my own business, own my own house, independent and live a fairly comfortable life. I belive that we should marry with in our race. I have been chasised by white women for standing strong in my belief that we should marry and have children with our own kind, Native American.
28962339Thursday, Sep 10 at 1:49 AM white rabbit wrote ...
As far as looks go, used to be that the Crow were the pageant winners. Eight generations of inbreeding later...Well, have a look for yourself (hehe).
28961673Wednesday, Sep 9 at 9:01 PM Brenda wrote ...
Well Ha, if I am "racist" so are all the others who agree with me and Gyassi and Gyassi's mom and my mom and my grandmother....lol on you! My apologies Gyassi for bringing my "fan club" over here. Thanks for speaking out about Skins. I usually agree with most of what you write about. Mvto!
28953839Wednesday, Sep 9 at 8:50 PM Gyasi wrote ...
HA HA HA HA
28953401Wednesday, Sep 9 at 8:42 PM icitall wrote ...
As a full blooded native man I've always felt to procreate with a caucasian woman would defeat my purpose as a human being, but Asian women on the other hand, hola!!! Lol, no seriously...
28953101Wednesday, Sep 9 at 7:17 PM Theresa wrote ...
Briliant and very true subject matter! Making me think I attended the wrong university! Shoulda went to HaskelL! :) Haha for reals though...this is something that is always in the back of our minds! It sucks seeing brilliant NDN men and women with non-natives because there was no one of their standards! That is taking the easy way out! Our ancestors did not fight for our very survival so we could out source ourselves to non-natives! Keep it native!
28949861Wednesday, Sep 9 at 6:58 PM CHERished wrote ...
LMAO!! This made my day!! Thanks for the humor. :)
28949293Wednesday, Sep 9 at 6:12 PM To henry wrote ...
what's being indian with have the heart of one! like that one person said - they are many sellouts and apples! Not enough ndn's know how to act like our elders did - just look around.
28947698Wednesday, Sep 9 at 5:58 PM Ha wrote ...
LOL@ Brenda using this article to find more ways to justify her racist attacks on people
28947174Wednesday, Sep 9 at 5:31 PM no one special. wrote ...
hey i have a haskell baby! lol i'm salish and northern arapaho and freakin went to haskell and found a white mountain apache. our daughter's nickname is pokie..lol just kiddin. but yeah that part about haskell had me crackin up!! everyone at work is lookin at me all crazy. i better go. lol dueces!
28946221Wednesday, Sep 9 at 5:20 PM MzWild wrote ...
didja ever notice how the lightest of light Indian women always try to, or do hook up with the darkest, greasiest frybreader she can snag? They must either be arm candy (not!)or a used like a prize bull for mating purposes. Who's left for us Cinnamon girls? Pale but rich white guys, semi-sorta-Indian chicanos and men who are black, and you know what they say....
28945814Wednesday, Sep 9 at 5:19 PM jackson593@hotmail.com wrote ...
I am a single mother of 4 two grown and two in school a northern native, LOOKING, for Mr. RIGHT anyone interested hit me up an we will go from there ok........
28945751Wednesday, Sep 9 at 5:16 PM jackson593@hotmail.com wrote ...
I totally have qualms with all thats being said, sure it is ok skin with skin, but; does that ever work out??? Living on a rez has a lotta upsides and major downsides I say at least live somewhere were you both will be happi. I t has to go both ways in order , well meet half way, no jealousies unecessary that is, I too have made mistakes trying to find Mr.Right in all the wron places with my parents :(
28945654Wednesday, Sep 9 at 5:09 PM IIpa-Su-AKI wrote ...
I did it all backwards, but i did it successfully! a couple of weeks ago i sat my 13 year old beautiful baby boy who has the longest braids in our family to be careful of them non-skin women cause they will only want you to make thier daddies mad! Both my kids know they are making me lil Blackfeet grandbabies!
28945276Wednesday, Sep 9 at 4:45 PM :) wrote ...
For me, it wasn't the race OR the men that attracted me PER SE - it was the babies - the beautiful brown chubby babies whose hair I could braid if I wanted to. I wanted THAT - kinda didn't matter the guy - as long as he didn't hit me or abuse alcohol or drugs - I could handle the rest - plus, no matter what happens, I will always have my beautiful chubby brown babies.
28944304Wednesday, Sep 9 at 4:44 PM NDNandproud wrote ...
Great article! I called my 17 yr old daughter in to read it...she thinks I'm the only one who tells their children to marry Indians. They have to know how important it is today. Unfortunately, my mother "didn't think it mattered" like another poster here, and now I am paying the price. Of course it matters newe22! Of the 35 grandchildren my grandmother had, only 2 of us gave her Indian greatgrandchildren. Its not prejudice, its survival.
28944242Wednesday, Sep 9 at 4:25 PM sillynavajogirl wrote ...
awesome artical! im 25, all my life my parents and everyone else who mattered always said marry your own kind, so i did, had a beautiful full dine girl, but lost the man. lol but looking for that preson, some of ladies have high expectations, and lowering it, well i did that mistake. Here i am single with a daughter. but that was a good artical, i loved it. so now its off to other rez to hunt for a suitable man. tall handsome and educated. i think is on every ladies' list.
28943438Wednesday, Sep 9 at 3:59 PM iamNDN wrote ...
I think it's the women who have the problem with finding good NDN Men. The writing would give more insight if the writer gave an acurate description of what he's looking for which I guaranty is a skin woman who looks spanish or white... There's plenty of intellegent, culturally aware, good mothering native women out there...
28942351Wednesday, Sep 9 at 3:56 PM Brenda wrote ...
Good blog. I see a lot of folks agreeing with you. I was raised the same way, "Marry Indian" was drilled into me from the time I could walk. Funny thing, I had a blog on myspace that said almost the same exact thing as what you have said and have been attacked viciously for over 2 years now. They call me a "racist" and a "BQ Nazi" to anyone that will listen. Thank you for posting this, many of us are raised this way, its called cultural preservation IMO. Thank you, Mvto Mvto, Brenda
28942181Wednesday, Sep 9 at 3:53 PM filthy indian wrote ...
My blackfeet mother scared many settlers away from me and while I was bummed about missing out on *** I knew it was the right thing. Native clubs at university and Native conferences are a great way to find new blood though. Good article. Glad success for our generation isn't hiding out and finding a white woman. And not finding a suitable Native partner? Laziness. Fear. They are everywhere. I was born 200 years too late. I want ten wives and a few horses...
28942051Wednesday, Sep 9 at 3:25 PM SemiChipp wrote ...
Funny and Honest. I am a Seminole/Chippewa Haskell baby who married a wonderful Sac& Fox man and now we have two extremely handsome boys who will grow one day to be not only great men, but great Indian men!!!! I wish all Indian people knew the importance, beauty, and value of Indian women--my sons definitely will.
28940654Wednesday, Sep 9 at 2:59 PM Kim P wrote ...
Nativescene its funny that you would post something like that and in the same breath congradulate his article! Indians are always so quick to tear each other down. Obviously your a bitter fan. Great article!
28939241Wednesday, Sep 9 at 2:56 PM Toodles wrote ...
I'm not sure it's that important but it is something that I think about. Thank you for the great read!
28939076Wednesday, Sep 9 at 2:50 PM pe-taki wrote ...
used to think one thing now i think another- as i've grown older culture has grown in importance especially since I had a child- it tends to clarify things- its hard to fine a non ndn who understands our culture.
28938767Wednesday, Sep 9 at 2:29 PM the native scene wrote ...
Its a funny article and a little ironic that Giyash would write an article but is disrepectful to native women as a known womanizer, its hard to believe that one who takes advantage of women would write such an article, pure BS
28937759Wednesday, Sep 9 at 2:18 PM iServed wrote ...
it was always fairly important to be with another skin but i gave up. years ago. did the same things gyasi did. even found one potential candidate but screwed it up with my long list of neuroses and controlling german side. funny read, tho :D
28937184Wednesday, Sep 9 at 2:01 PM WI NDN wrote ...
I recently picked a full-blood NDN, had a pretty brown baby and raising her in the language and culture. One person can do it, but two (NDN parents) are likely better at raising tomorrow's Indian leaders. As far as romance goes, I got lucky, but you never know until you give them a chance.
28936221Wednesday, Sep 9 at 1:52 PM Comanche Woman wrote ...
Lululu!!!I loved the article! I agree Skin with Skin! Their are so few of us and to have interacial kids is too common and shouldnt be! Interacial marriages lower our population! I have beautiful Comanches babies and Im quite proud of myself that I contributed to my nation! And I will teach them the same of how important it is to have Native babies! Marrying outside of our Native race is going into another world. Then you have to choose how you want your children to be raised Indian or not!
28935674Wednesday, Sep 9 at 1:48 PM Harry Mann wrote ...
The day will no doubt come when Hill Billy's will start calling Indians Hill Billys, but until that time we all have enough of the dna pool to draw from and still remain Indian. Some young people are turned off by the issue, but it's good to hear a lot of young people already knowing they want to keep their Nation's blood line strong. Indians with a strong bloodline know this to be important, Indians with very little bloodline always talk about, being Indian is in your heart. I think thats BS.
28935471Wednesday, Sep 9 at 1:20 PM NWumatilla wrote ...
I hear all the talk of no suitable Indian men out there, but there really aren't any Native women out there who aren't related, like men or aren't married several times over.
28934047Wednesday, Sep 9 at 1:10 PM Lakota Woman wrote ...
although love is blind to race and ethnicity and religion, I do feel I have a responsibility to my people and my nation. That's the way it has always been and I respect that. If and when I ever get married, it will be to a Lakota man. That is my responsibility to my great nation.
28933461Wednesday, Sep 9 at 12:48 PM Trish wrote ...
I always wanted to marry a skin. Even found one who slipped away one me. My mother on the other hand figured brown babies had less opportunity and actually pushed us to marry rich, no matter what the ethnicity. Unfortunately I was unable to do either. :( I have the prettiest blond boy you'll ever see. :)
28932298Wednesday, Sep 9 at 12:47 PM Native Heart wrote ...
Ok, so you guys aren't addressing the bloods. Sorry to say but there's a few apples out there! You may have to look past the skin and give a bit more credence to the blood issue. Lots of us are hidden behind not so brown skin but we are full bloods still living despite the real on-going eugenics plan. Creator has hidden us though we have to work really hard and diligent to get "back" to who we are. The life is in the blood not the skin. A matter of the heart and spirit right?
28932176Wednesday, Sep 9 at 12:38 PM Calindngirl wrote ...
This is the most funniest and truthful article I've read in a while. Thank you. Native with Native is very important, especially now. Even if it didnt work out, I got my little warrior and he too will experience the wrath (I know his father would agree).
28931766Wednesday, Sep 9 at 12:16 PM Native Grandma wrote ...
In my Tribe, to make matters worse, it can't be any skin It should be someone of your Tribe because if it's not, the Tribal bloodline eventually runs dry. When we were growing up, the Elders told us to marry within the our Tribe.(but, making it difficult, most were relatives) My Sister didn't listen and to this day, her Grandchildren are not eligible to enroll with any Tribe. Sadly, the Native bloodline has run out for her family and it's changed to Caucasians. Sometimes it pays to listen.
28930609Wednesday, Sep 9 at 12:12 PM a Native GlamMa wrote ...
being adopted and having grown up in a white family,in white town usa, I never new I had an option to marry a skindian. I marreid a white man but now have found myself in your mom's shoes saying the same to our kids! Brown babies only!!! LOL
28930328Wednesday, Sep 9 at 11:51 AM fmlcandn wrote ...
Yeah they better be indian babies, heard it my entire life and I found a male indian to procreate with and a per cap check to boot. You forgot to mention that new pressure some of us face. Funny funny article.
28929041Wednesday, Sep 9 at 11:43 AM cont. brddancer wrote ...
mine. We meet at an Indian golf Tournament, a month and a half later i was engaged. so natives women learn to golf! Because the golf course is full of handsome native men. California Natives make beautiful babies!
28928616Wednesday, Sep 9 at 11:40 AM newe22 wrote ...
"the way of the hickey" - that's freakin hilarious! growin up my mom never dictated procreating w/ a skin or non-skin. i don't think it matters, or in other words - love sees no color. but then i don't come from a family that has those type of expectations...good luck to you! great article!
28928461Wednesday, Sep 9 at 11:33 AM brddancer wrote ...
I believe skin should marry other skins. i did, but yes it was hard to find him. Did the college think but never found "the one!" There was one guy who was close but I believe that guy was just suppose to be a close friend and he is. When I saw my husband for the first time i knew he was going to be mind..lol..
28928083Wednesday, Sep 9 at 10:58 AM NM Native wrote ...
“date who you want, but when it’s time for the pitter-patter of little feet, do the right thing.”- Classic. I say those things to my own kids now. LOL.
28926131Wednesday, Sep 9 at 9:42 AM native woman wrote ...
I enjoyed reading this article!! And it is so true...well at least in my family. Mom is prejudice..but when it comes to having babies..they better be brown!! hahaha. thanks for bringing up the discussion, I think its an issue many skins struggle with..espcecially "fancy skins"
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