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Trimble: Eating my words

By Charles E. Trimble

Sometimes we journalists take ourselves too seriously. We are widely published and read by many people. We are recognized, sometimes with big awards. We are trained and/or experienced, and we see ourselves as clever with words. Sometimes we see ourselves as wise, even, and above the people, those who read our words.

Recently I wrote a column about the Fighting Sioux mascot controversy that has been raging at the University of North Dakota for much too long. My words were critical, in fact insulting, to some Native people who are offended by the mascot and are demanding the university discontinue its use. I wrote that they are “perpetually-offended purveyors of over-sensitivity and victimhood.”

I did not picture any of them individually as I wrote that description, and later as I described them as a “sulking and sour minority.” I generalized and smeared them all. That kind of smearing is easy when you don’t have to visualize individuals you’re writing about. It’s just “them” or “they.”

My words were critical, in fact insulting, to some Native people who are offended by the UND mascot.

I received a fair amount of e-mail, and some blog comments, most of them agreeing with me. But I received one that hurt. It was not a mean letter, but a powerful one. It was from the daughter of a person I met many years ago in our common fight for Indian rights – a person I had great respect and fondness for. I should have known she’d be at UND in the midst of the fray, because she’s a fighter, a warrior. And if I had pictured her as one I would be describing, it would have been different, or I would have written nothing at all. Indeed, if I had pictured any of them individually I would not have written as I did.

Her name is Waste’Win Young, daughter of my longtime friend Phyllis Young, and she’s a member of the Standing Rock oyate. Like her mother, she’s a fighter for Native peoples, and a tough lady, a real Dakota. With her approval, I am including some of what she wrote. Here’s what she had to say:

“My name is Waste’Win Young. I am a citizen of the Standing Rock Oyate. First and foremost, I am ‘ina’ (mother) to my two sons Zuya and Wakicunze. I am also an alumna of the University of North Dakota class of 2001. As a young woman I grew up reading your columns and always felt quite proud that your words could illuminate a lot of our people’s stories.

“However, today when I read your column, I literally felt sick to my stomach. In my view point, you went from being a champion of our people’s issues into someone who never attended UND, who was easily bought by the neon green of the jerseys and pretty logo.

“I’m so disappointed that I can barely fathom where you got your reasoning and your hurtful words that in no way reflect my journey at UND.

“As a young Lakota/Dakota I attended the University of North Dakota (1997-2001). I graduated after five years with two degrees in English Language/Literature and American Indian Studies. I have worked for the Standing Rock Nation since 2003. I am the tribal historic preservation officer.

‘I have always respected my elders and I respect your view point. But don’t call us names. We have a right to be heard.’

“I have a lot of love for my oyate regardless of politics – and that’s what this nickname issue is – politics. I think it’s extremely unfair and unreasonable for you to make assertions about this issue, especially when you have not attended school there and have not heard Standing Rock’s alumni side.

“I think that after five years of living in Grand Forks that my story, my experience should carry a little weight to it. I was just a young girl attending college, trying to get her degree.

“I’m appalled to see that this issue has succeeded in turning us against each other. It’s not ok for white kids, black kids, Asian kids to act like ‘fighting sioux.’ It’s not ok for them to have parties and dress up as Indians. As educators, it’s certainly not okay to turn the other cheek. I applaud my peers and professors who have persevered through pervasive ignorance, racism year after year. It’s not just good-old-college fun. It’s not Native students being whiny – it’s me as a Native mother telling you to ‘knock that sh-t off and I mean it.’ It’s a really simple notion.

“Once that nickname is retired we will be emancipated. We won’t have that leash around our necks to be the white man’s good Indian. I have always respected my elders and I respect your view point. But don’t call us names. We have a right to be heard. We are the ones who lived it, earned that feather, and came home. Never judge a person until you have walked a mile in their moccasins.

“I will not play into fighting my own people and if that’s what you want to do and be called fighting Sioux – go right ahead. Us kids from Standing Rock worked hard to bring this issue to the forefront and garner the support of eight tribes in North and South Dakota in 1999. Now it is our own people calling names, fighting us.

“As an elderly person whose words reach a lot of people I ask you to remember one of our values – waunsila. I ask you to have that – for all the students at UND who are going through a tough time. So while you tout your age and being an in-your-face Lakota – Bravo! Good for you!

“I know in my heart what I went through while there. I succeeded because of my traditions, values, and my relationship with Tunkasila. I am an example of academic success despite facing an issue that polarizes our communities and pits human beings against each other.

My prayers and best wishes to you in your never ending fight for what you feel in your heart is right.

“I grew up on the reservation. I know what it’s like to hitchhike to school if I missed the bus, to have eight brothers and sisters, to know how to get along and share, basic tenets that we should all live by. In the bigger picture, you, Mr. Trimble, are still my relative.

“But above all, my journey, my experience matters too. And I will tell you one more thing – I am no victim. I am a proud but humble Hunkpapa Lakota/Yanktonai Dakota winyan, great-great granddaughter of Blue Thunder and Rocky Butte.”

To you, Waste’Win, I say “Thank you.” Powerfully said. I hear you. And I extend my sincerest apologies to you and your mother and to all the good people who are fighting by your side. My prayers and best wishes to you in your never ending fight for what you feel in your heart is right for our people and our future generations. Wopila!


Charles Trimble, Oglala Lakota from the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation was a principal founder of the American Indian Press Association in 1970 and served as executive director of the National Congress of American Indians from 1972 – 1978. He is retired and lives in Omaha, Neb. He can be reached at cchuktrim@aol.com. His Web site is iktomisweb.com.

Wednesday, Oct 21 at 12:47 AM Fabrication Right? wrote ...

Take up the invite and check it out! BUT like trimble you as a whiteman may think that its all in our heads! The root of the antagonism b/w SD-tribes! SD has little or no jurisdiction on tribal lands and that ticks the SDHP/etc-the 'right places' are actually the wrong places! Where do you think Billy Jack got his screenplay ideas-his wife is from Winner, SD. The affront/disservice a trimble does is to minimze and discount the daily hassles majority bllod quantum Lakota live with in our lands!

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Tuesday, Oct 20 at 3:24 PM Nodaker wrote ...

I have to say I'm quite surprised to hear it is that bad in SD. My best friend (I have 3 that I call that)is Ojibwa and his wife is Sioux(yeah, I'm a whitey), and never have I experienced any racism when with them in my life, and we've been best friends since 8 years old, and are now in our 50's. Maybe I'm just not going to the right places, but I attended UND and he attended NDSU and still I've never experienced any of what you claim. Not saying you haven't, just saying I haven't. Move to ND.

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Tuesday, Oct 13 at 12:52 PM Per 'nodaker' wrote ...

Just visit South Dakota [say Winner, SD or Rapid City or Hot Springs. etc..] and better yet take a full-blood Lakota with you! The bias will stun you and they will look down on you as an 'indian lover!' What Lakota go thru in SD is real and let me tell you rising above it takes emotional balance which I think full-blood expositors herein have but trimble fails to! Some of these places are every bit as volatile as a 1940s/50s Selma and bull connor's do exist as commonplace in SD! ICT plzz show!

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Tuesday, Oct 13 at 12:09 PM Nodaker wrote ...

Wow...reading through these comments leads me to the conclusion that Native Americans are far more racist than the general white public...and very hateful toward that generally white public. I believe the people so against the logo are just being spiteful toward the culture they hate. NA's need to change their attitude. It doesn't matter if you're white, black, red, yellow or gold....we are all Americans and have to come together as such. What is done is done, the Sioux logo isn't to blame.

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Tuesday, Oct 13 at 9:24 AM It's Not ALL Good! wrote ...

As a critical eye of trimble's writings/ cartoons, I now grasp it's his take it or you're being a 'victim' mentality that is so abrasive-just as the Standing Rock woman opined Though I don't exactly share her specific view of UND mascot, I am nonetheless, similarly impassionated about other trimble follies/ abuse! I think Native writers owe a duty to be muckrakers of the dominant society/not proponents of it like he seems to be-I see he's a majority white person, so his bias is understandable!

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 9:56 PM Wordsmiths Needed! wrote ...

Its a tough word for a writer because just as some will always be enthralled with you, major ngnorance and/or hubris can place one in a 'critique hotseat!' from there backpeddling can sometimes be just a wholesale 'sorry' and I'll try harder next time out! Mr. Giago's finesse herein keeps him afloat after tumult in the early 1970's with many: AIM/FBI/etc..so when I read another 'bites the dust' it demonstrates this gig is not for everyone! ICT you doing a responsible job under fire!

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 8:37 PM Chuck Trimble wrote ...

This man is sick, and I will not try to communicate here anymore. I will not read another piece of his psychosis. If you would like to communicate, please email me at cchuktrim@aol.com. This is the last I will read.

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 6:24 PM Don't understand wrote ...

ICT bears responsibility for online remarks. trimble seems to take far too personal any negative remarks/then rallies his 'friendlies' to take pot shots at others when ICT invites remarks. Do we have to agree with opinions [trimble's] which run afoul of folks? What sort of psychopathy argues online making brash retorts with supposition as its criteria? ICT the least that can be done is try for literary balance but screening vulgar and profane remarks is good policy but let them exchange ideas!

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 6:02 PM What Can You Say! wrote ...

I know story(s) like this-4/4 is still 4/4 anyway you cut it! Because some disagree with you, chuck, why does that label them with a 'problem?' Don't be tormented chuck, you put yourself out there so what do you expect? This guy is just a product of his environment just as you are, too! His blood degree will always lend him more creedence with Lakota and you must just bite down hard on that! You can gang up on him as you have but he still obviously isn't deterred at all! What do you have to lose

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 5:54 PM for the brothers who have passed wrote ...

i walked and stayed many winter nights amongst the lakota, dakota,nakota people. they fed me and protected me , then sent me on with so much more then whence i came with. to have these mascots continually downgrades the struggles of all people. when we say , its okay, we forget the ones i buried as a young missionary and were often killed along the highway for nothing more than being sioux. the killers were never found but these were good people who deserved better now you want to justify it all

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 4:34 PM Chuck Trimble wrote ...

I am "part" Lakota (enrolled as 3/8) and "part" white. My parents did that to me because they were ub love, wanted to get married and have children. My would-be tormentor is a man with the full blood name of Lorenzo Williams, BTW, lives in Mission, SD. What his problem is might have something to do with his embarrassment of having a white surname.

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 3:11 PM Cooler heads prevailing wrote ...

if trimble would label himself "part" Lakota it may subside the onslaught-why not its true! He piously calls native angst as 'victimhood' so why shouldn't he be ready for responses not to his liking! Why should he be allowed to mock Native sufferings that he is not subject to and ignorant of without reply! His mentality of being somekind of 'warrior' of native causes makes me want to hurl! Mr. Giago at least addressed the bias of SD directly and he did alot for Nativeness w/Native American Day!

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 12:41 PM Chuck Trimble wrote ...

I enjoy wacipis, traditional Native foods, visits home to the reservation, and singing 49s with my friends. I also like jazz, old style country, classical music, movies, reading, athletics, and many things. I don't feel that I have to dress "Indian" at wacipis, and I don't know I even think about dressing "white" when I get my clothes on every morning. I can bet my pay check that you dress "white" every day. What's your point Lorenzo?

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 12:25 PM Innocent Bystander wrote ...

What exactly is "acting white," and what is "acting Indian?" You folks are curious, especially the person(s?) who hate trimble so much (or are unrequitedly in love with him?).

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 12:10 PM Old White Windbag! wrote ...

trimble's staunch defenders, probably after side bar with their 'chief' feel they need to attack but the understanding they seek must be turned inward! Any imbalance they point at others, they must entertain themselves. As they resist views they deem un-chucky they must vett any veracity therein. Plainly put I am not running around acting part-white but trimble is out/about being a 'lakota' when he is mostly white! He could balance the conversation by writing about being a mix blood, at least!

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 11:55 AM The concept of a 'trimble' wrote ...

chuck's rosy neophyte's come out of the woodwork and they defend with passion their real indian chuck-'analyst' 'hey jude' are clearly drawn to trimble but many are not and are insulted by him when he dismisses out of hand his views are less than real Lakota. His audacity to say he's a 'in your face lakota' is less than all the facts, do we all agree?You all have to get real and deal with it-some full bloods will not accept him and his rhetoric which presupposes a REAL lakota view is ad hominen!

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 10:06 AM heyjude wrote ...

The degree of Indian blood is NOT THE ISSUE. I am quite a high degree but it doesn't make me more Native than some with less.You don't ID yourself-you are a coward-unlike Trimble who stand by his words and has courage enough to eat them when they may be wrong. Man up, Lorenzo!

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 9:04 AM Analyst wrote ...

Mr Trimble: "Relevent terms" has a dangerous attraction to you and a strong compulsion to hurt you. Nobody who has it together would devote so much of his life and energies trying to insult you or embarrass you. My phych training tells me that he either hates you with passion, or is passionately in love with you. Whichever it is, you should watch your backside.

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Sunday, Oct 11 at 12:48 AM ADinMT wrote ...

I think I'll go protest the local reservation team(s) called 'The Indians' and 'Warriors' here in Montana. I'll say they are racist. .....Why don't these sulking-victim-'activists' go and do that with me? I think that is the point that Trimble was trying to make in his original argument, and it was a good one that most people who live around here would agree with. It's people who have too much time on their hands who get worked up over the supposed 'issue.'

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Saturday, Oct 10 at 10:52 PM Relevant Terms wrote ...

if trimble would label himself 'part Lakota' instead of offending majority blood Lakota by insinuating he is 'an in your face Lakota..' but you're so much more chuck-by his own admission he is 5/8 white! Write from that perspective because there is one from there which limits the conversation you can have. I see where he presumes to know how a full-blood thinks and shamelessly carries on! Put your remarks in perspectrive chuck-I for one would love to read about being a minority blood Lakota!

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Saturday, Oct 10 at 6:31 PM Chuck Trimble himself wrote ...

I write to share my experience and knowledge, and I hope it contributes to the discussion of Indian affairs today. I don't consider my thoughts anything but ideas to be considered and discussed. Bear with me; There are those who feel that I should not even be heard. Thank you.

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Saturday, Oct 10 at 3:56 PM We Are Not Created The Same! wrote ...

Some like trimble/AIM, etc..do more harm by trying to build clout by teaming up with ancient enemies-some who helped US track the warrior societies: Lakota/Chirachua/Nez Perce/ Comanche/Shoshone/Seminole! Some like navajo; crow; etc-were 'soft' then & are today dysfunctional AND PROUD! Can we insult our ancestors by playing nice with underserving tribes. Organizations like NCAI, etc..-its more than tribalism IT'S WRONG!

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Saturday, Oct 10 at 12:59 PM Steve Dragswolf wrote ...

Eliminating a logo alone isn't going to quell the ignorant characterization of Natives or stop native costume parties. More needs to be done. I could care less about a warrior Indian being a logo or a driving image behind a sports team. The problem comes with mascots. And after the mascots, the problem rests in the minds of the individual. Instead of worrying about a logo, let's worry about changing the minds of the people through education and relationship, not by forcing them to be nice.

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Saturday, Oct 10 at 8:44 AM Cheri wrote ...

Is there really this much ignorance about this issue? The majority of these comments are not even worth reading. For those of you that want to continue to bash people for speaking up against the logo issue, why don't you take the time and 'read' about what others have to say about it. Have an informed opinion, as opposed to just an opinion.

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Friday, Oct 9 at 11:20 PM Upset Mick! wrote ...

That's real good, now we have crybaby indians making fun of my leprechaun-ness! where's that dang trimble to stand up for us! here he is 5/8 mick and stands silent-turn in your blarney stone trimble at once! Give some alittle lakota blood and they forget about being mick!

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Friday, Oct 9 at 11:05 PM For chuck! wrote ...

'YYYAAAAWWWNNN'I feel bad for trimble because he's 5/8 irish and your remarks about breaking wind is insensitive and worthy of banishment to the hinterlands you racy racist! ask chuck, the irish had it tough, too! You're remarks make me want to snooze, if you want to know the truth, you mean dumby!

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Friday, Oct 9 at 9:52 PM Yawnnnnn wrote ...

Yawnnnnnnnnnnn. How about Farting Irish? Borrrrrrrrrrrrring.

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Friday, Oct 9 at 7:36 PM Fighting Irish wrote ...

i've been reading this piece and I agree with the dude about ND! Sour pusses like UND alum are emotionally unsat-why take this so hard! I've read where 'sioux' is not even an internal Lakota phrase! Isn't it the enemies' word for the fierce Lakota/Dakota/Nakota? This trimble should eat his words for a myriad of reasons but for offending some certain mix blood in ND! I see only mix bloods take this so hard but why? I think the crybaby from SR didn't list her white grandparents either. Why?

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Friday, Oct 9 at 6:55 PM Charles Trimble wrote ...

I want to read critism of my writing; favorable or not. I invite your comments. You have my e-mail address from my articles. Because of the inane and hateful posts in this venue, I will no longer even read them. If you have criticisms or even damnation, e-mail me at cchuktrim.com. I will no longer read anonymous ramblings from sick people.

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Friday, Oct 9 at 2:31 PM Hater Nation wrote ...

Im sure there are natives from a variety of reservations who have had negative experiences on the UND campus, Grand Forks is near many Dakota and Ojibwe/Chippewa reservations. Because of a stipulation to garner the support of the Sioux tribes of ND, Standing ROck is currently being focused on. I do not know the blood quantum of the alumni but I do know they have all first hand experience of the hostile environment caused by this issue.

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Friday, Oct 9 at 12:15 PM "haters" wrote ...

Who are these sensitized Natives who feel 'hated on' because a team's mascot is native or something? Where do these people come from? few are even full-blood!

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Friday, Oct 9 at 10:38 AM Hater Nation wrote ...

No matter what - there will be haters, sitting behind their computers spreading their misery around, I choose to feel good and hopeful for the future of Natives in North Dakota and for the children who will attend UND in a generation that does not promote UNSAFETY, MISUNDERSTANDING, OR DISRESECT in their academic setting.

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Thursday, Oct 8 at 10:25 PM All In The Family! wrote ...

chuck's family! Humor works for sure, I just belly-laughed at 'chuck' lashing out at his mix-blood nephew. I think these remarks need way more humor and less hating! With that, we can all share laughter! Got to laugh at ourselves, right! chuck and that poor sensitive UND woman-can it really be that bad? Factor in chuck's mostly white, who wants to bet that SR woman is not even half-Lakota? Those types take this stuff so hard-I think because they don't know where exactly to stand! Suggestions?

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Thursday, Oct 8 at 8:04 PM Chuck wrote ...

"Makes as much sense. Nephew. Please don't feel so bitter. I do love you as a relative, even though you are not a full blood. Please cool you ardor, sit back and relax. Take a deep breath. Please don't be so bitter. You are loved.

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Thursday, Oct 8 at 5:36 PM Makes about as much sense wrote ...

as trimble himself and 'naj' and all the other namesakes used herein. Just as trimble will always strike paydirt with his crowd, he will likewise probably never be taken seriously in others. He's a 3rd rate writer-Mr. Giago now there's a Lakota writer of renown. Mr. Giago pushed for Native American Day and now South Dakota is the sole State observing it! trimble just thinks he's it but he mostly is an unknown comic-unknown to himself! If he'd just acknowledge this, he join us in laughter!

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Thursday, Oct 8 at 5:22 PM Re: 'Gr8 4/4 NDN' wrote ...

Thanks for the heads up but that 'skinny' could almost be trimble, too. I read what you find 'mean''dumb'-you have to be tougher than that, don't you [they still make more sense than chuck]? Thanks for heads up on "Fighting Irish" because I've been a fan of ND off/on [Rocket Ismail!]. trimble and his followers are probably mostly wimps who did not play sports so the concept of fanfare in a tight game is lost to them! You mix-bloods have hard-if only someone hadn't ventured out of the tribe!

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Thursday, Oct 8 at 3:42 PM Gr8 4/4 NDN wrote ...

Naj: "Both of you,"and "Exaggerated Pride," and "Boring" are the same person. He is a mix-blood, 3/8 Indian and the rest is British. He is a very sick person who lives off the reservation and hates everybody, especially us fullbloods. He has been unemployed for a long time and just sits at a computer and writes mean and dumb messages on line, all day 7/24/365. Pray for him. I'm his uncle that's how I know.

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Thursday, Oct 8 at 1:47 PM Boring! wrote ...

I agree with the reference to 'fighting irish! How about you chuck, you're mostly irish? How can one be so sensitive as this poor troubled UND alum? Her moral rudder is way off! I've seen this reactivity from extreme mixed bloods and we know trimble is and this one seems like she is too! What a waste of time but trimble in his confusion calls it 'powerful?' wow...

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Thursday, Oct 8 at 9:04 AM Nodaker wrote ...

To Na He Ga Ta Stiffarm Gros Ventre: I'm wondering, do you mean names like Fighting Irish with a dancing leprechaun? If so I hear no complaints from the Irish, and no one had much more of a hard time than their people in the early years of this country. It's just a nickname, a representation of generations past, not a symbol of who you are today. Why do Native Americans think they are all alone in this? I agree with the original article that you complain over non-issues (or what should be)

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Wednesday, Oct 7 at 11:13 PM Exaggerated Pride Never Good? wrote ...

'naj' plzz breath deeply because you can get you blood warm over the wrong thing-Really!Being taken seriously is a measure of what___? Superficiality can lead one to fall for anything! Impressionable folks have low standards--per no particular end, check out trimble's writings but he keeps it up with no shame so who cares really? Remember take a deep breath OK!

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Wednesday, Oct 7 at 8:48 PM Naj wrote ...

Good words Mr Trimble. To "both of you", yes these two take themselves seriously and others take them seriously as well. I wish you had a group of people who took you seriously too so you didn't need to spend your days posting comments towards no particular end.

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Wednesday, Oct 7 at 8:06 PM Na He Ga Ta Stiffarm Gros Ventre wrote ...

Hmmm, if we up at the Fort Belknap Community College called our Sports teams names such as: the Fighting Germans (think Nazi's), the Fighting Terrorist (because they will do anything to win), or even the rascally republicans. Don't you think that there would be all kind of objections? Mascots should not represent a minority which has bean inhumanely treated, but a source of pride for a team, even the NFL Redskins at halftime, had there marching band all wearing War Bonnets!

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Wednesday, Oct 7 at 7:01 PM Both of you get a life! wrote ...

chuck what's so touching about these remarks-her story is multi-fold on tribal lands plus! She taking you too seriously and you are taking yourself to seriously, too! Get a grip its a long journey! I agree with you, those crying around about mascots are barking up the wrong tree! You were on the right path before, sans the distorted victimhood remarks which delude your slim credibility! Put your pen away and enjoy your golden years and write about your irsh family some!

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