Jasper: Need for constant vigilance
By
Suzanne Jasper
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| The six members of Congress don’t mention that the equal share of Cherokee assets that went to each freedman citizen and their living descendants amounted to more than double the reparations promised, but never delivered, by the U.S. government. |
Representative Barney Frank was one of the six asking for an investigation, but he also sent a separate letter to Holder claiming that “These [1866] treaties remain in full force and effect” and “Neither this Act [the Five Civilized Tribes Act of 1906], nor any other Act of Congress, modified or abrogated the Treaties of 1866.” If that is true, the state of Oklahoma, the corporations and the non-Indian settlers might consider returning Indian lands.
For instance, the Act of July 1, 1902 (granting each living Cherokee citizen 110 acres of land as well as equal shares of the assets of the Nation) specifically provides in Sec. 73 that “no Act of Congress or treaty provision inconsistent with this agreement shall be in force,” a fact ignored by Frank.
These agreements were bilateral, however imposed. Even though the U.S. had ceased making treaties with Indian nations some 30 years earlier, the five bilateral agreements required Congress and the Indian nations to ratify them. And they did.
The six members of Congress don’t mention that the equal share of Cherokee assets that went to each freedman citizen and their living descendants amounted to more than double the reparations promised, but never delivered, by the U.S. government. They don’t mention that the Dawes era left no functioning Cherokee government to enroll anyone for almost 70 years. Nor do they mention that all nations, including Indian nations, have the inherent right to determine their own identity or membership.
That same act of 1902 unequivocally states that “no child born to a citizen [after Sept. 1, 1902]. … shall be entitled to enrollment” in the Cherokee Nation. The date of birth was later changed to March 4, 1906 along with an amended residency requirement. In the legal papers of that time, the words “entitled to enrollment” were generally used to describe those who became citizens through a provision of law, not ancestry.
But even if these dates of birth ended entitlement to enrollment for descendants of every Cherokee citizen (individual rights based on the Cherokee Constitution of that time), it did not and could not affect the collective, inherent and inalienable right of the Cherokee Nation (as an indigenous people) to determine the requirements for Cherokee citizenship. The Cherokee Nation’s government was “allowed” to begin rebuilding in the 1970s; a new constitution was approved and the nation exercised its right and responsibility to determine its own identity and membership.
According to the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, Article 33, “Indigenous peoples [Indian nations] have the right to determine their own identity or membership in accordance with their customs and traditions.” It could be argued that since the United States was one of four countries opposing the adoption of the UN Declaration, this right does not apply. However, the opposite is true. The Declaration does not create new rights, but merely interprets how existing human rights apply to indigenous peoples.
In the more than 20 years of negotiations on the Declaration, the U.S. did not oppose all its provisions. In fact, it repeatedly affirmed the “inherent” and “collective” right to “self-government” (an aspect of the right of self-determination) includes the right to determine membership, a right recognized in international human rights law.
| It could be argued that since the United States was one of four countries opposing the adoption of the UN Declaration, this right does not apply. However, the opposite is true. |
When UN Special Rapporteur on contemporary forms of racism, Doudou Diène visited the U.S. last summer, a meeting took place with Chad Smith, Cherokee Nation principal chief, Diène was presented original documents, transcriptions of congressional debate, and a copy of the Cherokee Nation Report to CERD.
Diène released his findings at the end of April. Instead of seeing the Cherokee Nation as violating the rights of others, he commented in his report that he was “particularly sensitive to the statements made by the Principal Chief of the Cherokee Nation” and emphasized “the need for constant vigilance for the situation of Native Americans, which should be the subject of particular attention in view of the historical legacy of discrimination against them.”
If the UN Special Rapporteur on Racism didn’t see the current situation regarding the non-enrollment of the non-Indian descendants of freedmen as discriminatory, what are the six members of Congress missing? According to the only Native member of Congress, Representative Tom Cole of Oklahoma (Chickasaw), they are “not well-informed.”
Suzanne Jasper is the director of First Peoples Human Rights Coalition, a nonprofit educational organization specifically focusing on the human rights of indigenous peoples.
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Friday, Jul 3 at 12:41 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
ICT didn't print all the laws I quoted due to lack of room
25366057Thursday, Jul 2 at 7:08 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Treaty of the CHerokees; 1785,1791,1794,1798,1804,1805,1806,1816,1816,1816,1817,1819,1835,1866,1868 Kappler's Law. Read it, You'll get aquick and deep study of broken treaties and those still in force that are ignored by both the CNO and the Congress. Without presenting argument how can we make them understand how wrong they have been for such a long time. Time will tell but we must pursue this injustice and hopefully change will come about in a positive way. We want to come home.
25333997Thursday, Jul 2 at 7:01 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Change kive to live
25333779Thursday, Jul 2 at 7:00 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
As for culture I kive my life to the best of my abilities and conduct myself as such. In all fairness this must be talked about and dialoque must present itself in a peaceful gesture as to get the attention of those at the top that the 1866 Treaty still is inforce and something must be done about it. I have tried to plead my way around the law but that is useless. Lets see how many treaties have I studied not to mention Yale Univ Avalon Project. Continued: I will Name a few.
25333749Thursday, Jul 2 at 6:56 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
change feae to fear
25333517Thursday, Jul 2 at 6:54 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
PM anonomous I see you point but the matter at hand is not to be shoved under the carpet. I am Cherokee and so are so many others and we want to be recognized just like the CNO. We were left behind because of indian agents and now that we have found that we are Cherokee we should be let back in. Yes it is child's play but those same people we play the games with want to keep us out. To feae God is to know wisdom. I am not trying to toot my own horn but I am not going away either.TW
25333482Thursday, Jul 2 at 4:17 PM anonymous wrote ...
"You're comments" should have been "your comments."
25326174Thursday, Jul 2 at 3:28 PM anonymous wrote ...
Do any of you have the faintest idea how childish and off kilter you guys sound? God, almighty, the wise man doesn't need to go around (on the internet or elsewhere) saying he is wise. The truly wise demonstrate their wisdom by virtuous conduct and by the way they live their lives. The truly cultural person doesn't have to talk about it. I'm sorry to say it, but you're comments have spiraled downward to the point of being outright bizarre. Please stop. Just agree to disagree and let it go.
25323427Monday, Jun 29 at 9:23 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
change dtubborn to stubborn chamge atr to are Change heaar to hear
25122302Monday, Jun 29 at 9:19 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk you are a dtubborn idiot and you will never lead the Cherokee Nation. You cause great descension and arguement but no solution just BS. You 7th it what kind of small mind atr you? You have created much myseryin your life and you try to impose this mysery on real bonifide Blood Cherokees who are coming home. Move out the way if you don't want to help. We don't want to heaar your baby babble anymore. Walk among the bovine excrement and play paddy cake rainbow bread.
25122127Sunday, Jun 28 at 8:20 PM kurux wrote ...
Dang... guess I have to say I'll eight it..?! LOL! This guy is nuts. No, I cant say I have rode a horse nekkid to plant 'food'...LOL you are nutz! geez, how come we get all the screw ballz here waning to be Cherokee, I mean I know we're awesome and all, but dang... couldnt this guy just picl sioux or something? I'll send him my copy of Windwalker, maybe that will make him change his mind..!
25107212Sunday, Jun 28 at 6:50 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
You six it, what ever in hades that means, but for good measure I seven it, and I leave you babbling the last words of an idiot! and I leave with my head held high for I have exposed a thoroughbred idiot that wannabee Cherokee!
25105054Sunday, Jun 28 at 5:30 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk and Kurux I a real Chief TrackingWolfie has spoken. You both have shamed yourself now you may leave the Bldg by way of the back door, Please hang your head as you are two of the worst dips I have ever come in contact. You are the problems I have spoken.
25103032Sunday, Jun 28 at 5:25 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
I am guessing you and Cornsilk stand on the corner by the local liquor store drinking rot got musgateel urinating and crapping yourself as you tell stories of warrior BS stories that are conjoured up in you own mind. The more you drink the more lies you tell. And then another bowel movement and you fall in the gutter face down until the morning hours and you start all over again. You don;t even shower. Thats nasty but like I said you two are of the worst kind of haters and BS BS BS
25102919Sunday, Jun 28 at 5:19 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
I have studied my own culture and ubderstand very well and I will say this. You two don't act like Cherokees. Tqo-Feather and I know what it is to be Cherokee because we live it. You only dream what its about. Oh yeah I know you got your green card. lol Have you ever rode a horse thru the forest bare /// naked. Have you come home to plant the foods for your family and then back on the horse to ride again. I study Cherokee history and all the laws that concern them and am trying to six it.
25102727Sunday, Jun 28 at 5:13 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk and Kurux I never said it was part of your culture. Cornsilk your know elder and you speaking is like a mule standing in the corral Hee Haw Hee Haw. Hee BS HE BS You two are a peice of work. Never seeking for a solution because of low IQ's and Never showing any passion for anything because you both are stuck in Bovine excrement up yo your ears. Don"y worry boys we're coming home and the calvary can't save. Oh wait you two are probably scouting for the Calvary. lol
25102592Sunday, Jun 28 at 3:08 PM kurux wrote ...
"old indian proverb"...? puhleeze.. What a wannabi piece of BS. Like I said, nothing to do with Cherokee religion or culture..
25099099Sunday, Jun 28 at 10:21 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
About all that can be said of this babble it is pure equine excrement! The Elder Cornsilk has spoken!
25090332Saturday, Jun 27 at 9:23 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
There is an old Indian Proverb; You can think what you want but you have to live with those thoughts. Consilk I have only heard arguement and a prose of irrelevance from you. Your words are not smooth and without significant meaning. You need a head doctor badly. I think you been hittin the pipe a little to much. Another thing quit pickin your nose thats just too rude. It is clear that a new Cherokee Nation will come about and if you want to hate then hate. No one will care.
25077059Saturday, Jun 27 at 9:16 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk words can not express the deep sorrow I have in my heart for Cherokees like you. Never satisfied with whats going on all the while you try so very hard to stiffel change that would improve the outcome of the Cherokee Nation. You furrow thru the corridors of your mind trying to make sense of your cognition and sadly enough the rodent in your makes swiss cheese of your brains and like a doubled minded man you aimlessly repeat yourself. Don't worry my friend the end result is coming.
25076864Saturday, Jun 27 at 9:09 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Change see to seed
25076682Saturday, Jun 27 at 9:08 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Change estaablish to establish change yo to to Change crea to create Change bew to new
25076664Saturday, Jun 27 at 9:06 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
It is the political regime of the United States and of the Cherokee nation which stiffels the introduction of new laws that will provide for the freedman and other Cherokees who want to be a part of the Cherokee nation. It is clear that I and others must call upon the Great Creator to estaablish this great task at hand. Justice must prevail and a peaceful transition must ensue yo creat a bew and stronger Cherokee Nation. Faith of a musterd see and thou mountain move.
25076584Saturday, Jun 27 at 8:58 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Mr. Cornsilk as you well know and if you don't all things are put into place by divine providence. Any authority in heaven and earth is given by God. I call upon Him to open the hearts of the Congress to let us into the Cherokee nation where we by birth right belong. I have hope and faith that this soon will happen. ON the other hand I know there is great opposition of whick I know the great Spirit in Heaven will blow it away like chaff. Don't worry brother I'll pray for you too.
25076372Saturday, Jun 27 at 5:27 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
I just knew there had to be a source for where you BS came from, Sho Nuff as if by an act of divinity, it appears in my mailbox!
25051119Saturday, Jun 27 at 5:18 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Dang wolfie, I just checked my email and discovered where you and all this newage equine excrement that congress is comin to save you idiot wannabees whut an idiot: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/RUNCHEROKEENDN2/signatures.html
25050992Saturday, Jun 27 at 5:09 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Ole Wolfie, now in to psychology whut a moron, but the good thang is he finally sought help, as you can see here http://www.cornsilks.com/anut.jpg Quite simply wannabees are natural born nuts!
25050894Friday, Jun 26 at 11:57 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
I call on the council and wisdom of Two-Feathers. Karux is putting us Cherokees down I wonder if he is just another trouble making ogie from georgia. I don't know what his spin is on here but Kurux sounds nuts to me. He babbles like a new born child and his reasoning is flawed. He is like empty dust and blows where ever the wind takes him. Kurux you do not know me and I want you to know I have been on vision quests and have seen many things. You can not approach a wolf he will bite you. I can.
25046717Friday, Jun 26 at 11:48 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Kurux is a good name, but your mind is twisted and you are in need of a good medicine man, namely psychiatrist. Don't worry it may take many moons for you to recover but you will. You may run but you can not hide from the reality around you. WE Cherokees are here to stay and our side of the story must be told. Wolf Wolf thats almost funny Kurux. Are you the court jester arond the camp fire. I am not trying to put you down but make you realize there is something seriously wrong with you.
25046512Friday, Jun 26 at 11:43 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Kurux another Cherokee who has lost his way in bitterness. Its sad to see so many Cherokees in this condition. Pursuant to natural law I am Cherokee by birth right and no one will ever convince me otherwise. I never really knew how ignorant some people have become. It must be your up bringing. My Cherokee dad taught us respect and love. My mother re-inforced it. I am human my Cherokee name is as it is. That was awful dumb of you to call me a wolf when God created me a human. I will not argue.
25046352Friday, Jun 26 at 10:45 PM kurux wrote ...
You are a pure NUT, and not even a wolf, more of a dog! You dont even realize how crazy you look on here babbling new age BS. Yahwei, or whatever you say, is NOT what we call god in Cherokee... how pitiful you are..I feel sorry for you, but I would NEVER call you a Cherokee
25044819Thursday, Jun 25 at 10:33 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
John Cornsilk, it is highly probable that you are an old man with ignorant low IQ. I believe that you are Cherokee not because the law says you are but because you were born Cherokee. I know you have lost your way and your path is crooked. What more can I say. I am Cherokee and God in heaven knows this to be true. You like the wind blowing across the dry dessert will pass just like unheard dust. You have no wisdom. You waste your time in argument and hatred. So sad.
24988539Thursday, Jun 25 at 10:05 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cprnsilk there you go again showing your impecable ignorance. I was born Cherokee I am Cherokee and you can kiss the pimple on a doe's rear end. By law whos law? You are just a trouble maker. So the United States gives you your identity. Stupid! You sound like Hitler's Third Reich . Hitler said you were of pure German descent if you looked like him. He was darker then most Germans. Now we have laws saying who we are. Heck we could be born beaver and the Congress says we are human. continued
24987037Thursday, Jun 25 at 7:57 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
You don't have nothing to renounce wolfie, the simple fact is we are Cherokee by law of legal documentation, you could have been born with pure aligator blood and if the Law say you are Cherokee then you are Cherokee its just that dang simple! Just like the law I just posted that says the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma (CNO) is NOT the historic Cherokee Nation any more so than the United Keetoowah band of Cherokee in Oklahoma (UKB) They are now equal successors to the old Cherokee Nation!
24981519Thursday, Jun 25 at 7:22 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Folks they deleted my link to the letter to the ICT editor again, it can still be seen at cornsilks.com anyway here is the mentioned document that shows why they delete for CNOT but it's a moot point, it is now official the CNO is NOT the Cherokee Nation, they are a new entity born in 1975 as you will see in this BIA Letter: http://www.cornsilks.com/aDecision.pdf they are co-equal in jurisdiction within the Nation with the UKB, maybe less because they may not be able to put land into trust!
24979729Thursday, Jun 25 at 5:07 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk lets stop the bickering and fighting and come to a solution. I was born Cherokee and I will not denounce it, I am not a wannabe or bovine excrement as you put it. My heart is in its right place and I know that we will all soon come together and be one Cherokee Nation. It is written in the heavens above and will not be repented. Learn to do good, and to love thy neighbor as thy self. In this day shout for the day of freedom and jubilee and dance upon the wind assuredly.
24971541Thursday, Jun 25 at 5:00 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
My spirit soars to worlds unknown and behold Thee on Thy Throne; Great Father who created the fowls of the air the fish of the sea and in your son perfected me. From my mother's womb I was born Cherokee. Oh Great spirit in heaven above; descending to Cherokee with love. I honor you my Father Yehweh king of the Universe created of all things. I petition to You in this matter of the Cherokee Nation. I humbly ask that we become one people. Send your Holy angels to give charge. Amen
24971174Thursday, Jun 25 at 4:44 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk, Just so you know you don't have the last say in this matter. If you think that I am in error take it up with My Father in Heaven. Justice for the widow and orphan for the poor and the meek. Good and not evil will prevail. Seek wisdom and understanding. You see My Father in Heaven awaits the correction to be made in the Cherokee nation. He too wants us to unite because it is justice not just fighting over laws that corrupt and pollute our nation. It will be as He sees it.
24970354Thursday, Jun 25 at 4:38 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Do not the heavens declare Thy Glory oh Lord my God; On bended knee I bow to Thee. Well done thy good and faithful servant enter yea into the kingdom of heaven prepared for you before the foundation of the world. Enter into my Father's glory. I asked while on bended knee I asked what did I do to deserve salvavtion. My Father smiled were you not one of the Cherokee child that my Son died for. Great Father thank you for your mercy and kindness. Cleansed by the blood of the lamb.
24970064Thursday, Jun 25 at 3:43 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk. I want to address something very important. You seem to be all knowledgeable about Cherokee affairs. Whats this nonsense about Chad Smith? He was a Professor at Darmouth. Thats to his credit. He has been the head chief of the Cherokee Nation for some time. I believe you lost a race against him for that position. So what is the real reason you have so much against him, Enlightened me? My gosh you show no respect even to the tribal leader Chad Smith. Whats up with that my friend?
24966877Thursday, Jun 25 at 8:11 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk I am with the program and we want Congress to please and finally let us all in. Those who can prove by blood that they are Cherokee then thry too should be recognized. Its that simple Cornsilk. Soon and very soon Congress will address the issue and hopefully correst the un-guided laws of the past and introduce new legislation that will accept all of us not just old have beens like you. Of course your included too. So don't pout.
24936784Thursday, Jun 25 at 4:50 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Sadly NOT wolfie, you have babblled new-age idioicy once again...The theme set by the Aticle is Congress knows what their fiduciary duty to the Cherokee People are, and investigation will set the stage for the proper implimentation of this duty, which can only wipe out CNOT and give back the Government to the Cherokee People, did you read my letter to the ICT editor? The topic of the article is NOT wannabees and their stoopid babble, please refrain and get with the program!
24930436Thursday, Jun 25 at 12:51 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Has spoken!
24927769Thursday, Jun 25 at 12:50 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk I can tell when courage was being handed out you hid behind the door. Step up to the plate what are you afraid of? Yes, I know you will be found wanting. The vision is this all Cherokees are brothers and sisters and we want to unite. What a great day that will be. In that day the dance will be beautiful and our souls will fly like the eagles in the air. Do you have vision Cornsilk or confusion. Justice will break through and we too will share in our heritage,
24927754Thursday, Jun 25 at 12:43 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk have you ever ran with the wolves of course not they would bit you. Has a blue jay ever landed on your forarm and knew it was safe. Of course not it would probably try to peck some sense into that thick skull you have. Have you ever rolled down a hill with a bear and the bear laughed a long with you. Of course not because they know you foe a hater and like the others the bear would eat you like fatted ham.Tell me cornsilk when did you fall off the beam?
24927639Thursday, Jun 25 at 12:37 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk, we sometimes get caught up in our words and being there is no spell check well I think you follow my sniff. How does it smell to you? Cornsilf your are a babbling idiot and your web page is nothing more then neon lights for a bordello. Your a hater of the worst kind always trying to cause trouble with your room IQ comfortable at 70 degrees. I have listened to your moronic babble for weeks now but you offer no real solution. Just BS BS BS!
24927551Wednesday, Jun 24 at 10:46 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
Why is the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma Council quiet? Can a Cherokee Indian be jewish? Can a Cherokee Indian be Catholic? Can a Cherokee Indian beleive in what he want's to believe? I call on all Cherokee's on Turtle Island to write to Congress and the President to bring this issue to a head. As long as the sun rises and the stars come out at night. We will defend those who are defenceless. The Cherokee that has been duped by your propaganda. Give me manuscript. All else is talk and wind.
24924846Wednesday, Jun 24 at 10:36 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
Kudo's to ICT for freedom of speech. Thank-you. The Treaty of New Enchota is inforce. The writing was on the wall. The Colonies wanted shore to shore. It protects all Cherokees on Turtle Island. Take it up with the most powerfull nation on Earth. I have never met Chief Chad Smith. I don't know what your talking about. Back to the Freedman. They are citizens at this very moment. Give them their Freedom. Do not shame the Old Cherokee Nation of Indians. Cherokees all over are watching.
24924462Wednesday, Jun 24 at 8:47 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Hey kurux, I'm gettin slow in my old age, these idiots aren't wannabees, they are CNOT-suckin fools sent by Smith to detract from the main topic, which is what the Article is about CNOT being investigated, and hopefully the Watson Bill wipes their BOGUSNESS from the face of the world!! and if we lucky Smith and cohorts go to jail! BTW folks CNOT is an acronym for CNO, with TRAITORS added for the acts against a class of Cherokee,just like the signers of the BOGUS New Echota 1835 Treaty! Thus CNOT
24919609Wednesday, Jun 24 at 8:28 PM kurux wrote ...
Geez these guys ar nuts on here..! Can't ICT install a 'wannabe' filter or something? At least to post...!
24918677Wednesday, Jun 24 at 4:15 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Oh, Really, all the lawyers I know can spell quote, it's and it. Did you understand the white-man in the link I did fer ya!! Now would be a perfect time to pay heed. Sho nuff!!
24907064Wednesday, Jun 24 at 11:38 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Change quoye to quote change iys to it change iy to it
24881986Wednesday, Jun 24 at 11:35 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
By the way Cornsilk so that you know. I have studied Native american law as well as constitutional law and I could quoye this treaty and that treaty, but iys boring. You are missing the point. president Obama will soon recognize us Cherokee and you will have to eat crow. Sorry dude its just a matter of time. Your power struggle is over and a united Cherokee nation shall emerge. Your website will be history unless of course iy tells the truth instead of prostituting, whatever! Shame Cornsilk.
24881306Wednesday, Jun 24 at 11:29 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Change kihe to like
24880666Wednesday, Jun 24 at 11:28 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Seems to me Cornsilk your just about pushing propaganda. Look to Iran why are the people rioting? Seems like they know the present government is going to get them in trouble with the world. Like the Cherokee Nation they don't want us in a real Cherokee because they stand to lose politically and power will be drained especially with New Cherokee blood that has been silenced like Sea Biscuit with a broken leg at Santa Anita. lol Common John you know you kihe us. Save face and do what is right.
24880484Wednesday, Jun 24 at 11:22 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Hey Cornsilk I went to your website, looks like a neon glitter for prostituting something. If I didn't know better I thought you were saling used cars. It would probably go like this. Hurry! Come to John Cornsilks auto sales we tote the note for aall Cherokees. Don't worry everyone gets a car. By the way do you like my advetrisement. In fibe print you can't wait to to take advantage of some poor Cherokee. You miss the point again Cornsilk I don't care how bright your web page is we are coming
24880004Wednesday, Jun 24 at 5:53 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well wolfie, positive words ya want huh, well the simple fact is I have given you many, but you fail to see them, you comeback wil all this new age babble of the mighty wa-na-be tribe, completely ignoring the words and the wisdom of much research! So finally I present you with the most positive suggestion I can come up with if you will only listen, will surely get you a blessing from all REAL Cherokee, they are at this link http://www.cornsilks.com/stfu.gif Pay heed wolfie, repent, babble no mo!
24861644Tuesday, Jun 23 at 10:47 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
It take intestinal fortitude to come forward and say this has been messed up for years and we need a solution. These are the latter days and a Great Kingdom is coming and my God will establish it, Wouldn't it be nice when He does come that we are all getting along splendedly or must we confess we are still fighting and hating. Too much political power plays going on and we haven't come up with a solution solution solution how many times must I say it? I need a positive response.
24787161Tuesday, Jun 23 at 10:37 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
She said we still eat squirrel and I said I didn't does that make me any less Cherokee then you. She said but I have a card and I replied I can prove my Cherokee Bloodline so am I anyless Cherokee then she. Funny thing she looked like a blue eyed okie from Georgia even talked like one. So one can logically induce that it is the BS laws that keep us separated constantly in verbal battle with each other. Smartin up get your head out of the sand and break through to reality.
24765221Tuesday, Jun 23 at 10:29 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Well said, Cornsilk we were all Cherokees before any law. Well said Two-Feathers in quoting law. You see Cornsilk a debate is not necessary as we all know the law is morally corrupt to say the least. Clear vision requires 20/20. We don't have to read between the lines and most can't anyway. Simply we must unitr and come together for the common good of all Cherokees. I once met a woman in the hospital who said she was Cherokee and her baby would have a Cherokee name continued
24761561Tuesday, Jun 23 at 10:07 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
It is written; "Righteonusness exalted a Nation; but sin is a reproach to any people". What ever happened to the 24,000 plus rejected citizens of the four federally recognized Cherokee Bands of Indians?
24760126Tuesday, Jun 23 at 10:02 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
The United States has taught us through Treaties and agreements since the beginning, that what is in the best interest of the whole Nation of Cherokee Indians would be guaranteed forever. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma 1975 Constitution is in violation of the Treaties!
24759751Tuesday, Jun 23 at 9:50 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
The Treaty of 1835 assured a hearty welcome and an equal participation with them in all the benefits and privileges of the Cherokee country west. We see that the hearty welcome would mean that we would ultimately be refugees and that cinnamon sticks, would trick the mind into believing that it would lend substance to the boild water for consumption.
24755581Tuesday, Jun 23 at 9:46 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
Why is it that Germany will give citizenship to those living here in the US? Most countries of the world respect their citizens. The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma is the most racist nation in the world. There are 600,000 to a 1,000,000 Cherokees who want to come home and be recognized by their Nation. If not DNA, then what's the solution. because it will never go away.
24747191Tuesday, Jun 23 at 1:57 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Address the information in the packet CNOT sent Tn. then we might have something to debate, for now all I hear is ignert wannabee newage babble! Quite simply we are Cherokee by law, always have been even before the whiteman, Cherokee clan law determined who was a Cherokee, if the Clan mother nixed you then you were NOT!! In 1827 the Cherokee went with a centerialize Government then we were Cherokee by Constitutional law, it's all so simple, with no place for wannabees, plain and simple!!
24467344Tuesday, Jun 23 at 1:22 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
It is said in the Holy Scriptures he who troubles his own house inherits the wind. Hows it been working for you Cornsilk? Of all your blogs I have not seen wisdom. Some BS laws but no wisdom. Ignorance in your Blogs has lead me to believe that you are afraid of something over whelming. Take a deep deep breath Cornsilk and smell the BS you talk of. Many of us want to unite but Cherokees like you are so hated up you can;t see straight. Maybe one day you will see clearly and the clouds will leave.
24434059Tuesday, Jun 23 at 1:16 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk, its interesting to note how some Cherokees have adopted the hatred of the white man. There is no shame in who you are but there is shame in putting down another race. Even among Cherokees I still read ignorance. If you do not reaalize by now that we were all created by God. Whatever happened to you Cornsilk that made you so bitter. Seek wisdom and tolerance and your vision will be complete. If you are always at odds with everyone you will reap a whirl wind. Big Tornado.
24433277Tuesday, Jun 23 at 1:00 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk bridge the injustice of unequality among our people then and maybe then you could become the Big Chief of the Cherokee Nation.Whats holding you back is a total dis-regard for your people as a whole. Dis-respect and a lack of integrity yrips you up. Every Cherokee man or woman has dignity and you **** all over them with your BS. Sadly many Cherokee have realized that you are just a country bumkin. Don't feel bad one day you will see the error of your way, maybe to late.
24431512Tuesday, Jun 23 at 8:15 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Folks let me show you the enormity of the problem, back in 06 CNOT made noises of a Covernment, but then backed off, they know they are Bogus, and how far they dare go; They sent a packet to a Tn. agency trying to get to the legislature by a back or side door! got no where probably laughed at. It is good information, check it out folks http://www.cornsilks.com/cnottfletter.pdf scroll down to page 14 and see the list of BOGUS wannabee groups, and since then probably 100 more added!
24358504Tuesday, Jun 23 at 6:24 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Folks in regards to wannabees, and my continued labeling them as such, a good quote of some words by my son David Cornsilk, he said: "I know it may seem like I beat a dead horse regarding the wannabe issue. But it also seems to be that the number of people recently claiming to be Indian/Cherokee just never stops. I feel like I'm in that movie "Night of the Living Dead," with long dead Cherokee zombies crawling out of the grave. I keep fighting them off, but more just keep popping up."
24327579Tuesday, Jun 23 at 12:39 AM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
Two Feathers said: " Let's DNA everybody in the Cherokee Nation of Indians and let's see who's who." Sounds familiar: "“The Nuremberg Race Laws “…The first two laws ...were: "The Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor" (regarding Jewish marriage) and "The Reich Citizenship Law" (designating Jews as subjects). ...soon followed by ""The Law for the Protection of the Genetic Health of the German People," www.historyplace.com/
24268909Monday, Jun 22 at 5:45 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
Then let it be known. Let's DNA everybody in the Cherokee Nation of Indians and let's see who's who. If you can prove that your are a descendant of Pharoah, you have every right to the Crown! You can take the Indian out of the Reservations(ghettos). They will still be Indian. I am Cherokee, I am as I am! PMKurux, there you go again, false info, everyone knows that DNA will tell you who your related to. PMKurux,Please this is a legitimate news sight. Give law, statue, article, back it up with fac
24254612Monday, Jun 22 at 3:51 PM kurux wrote ...
You guys are just white wannabes. DNA cant tell you who you're related to, they cannot get 'tribe specific' MAYBE only say that you MAY be Indigenous, but you could also be Mexican. So, unless you're enrolled, you're not CHerokee. As I said before, CHerokees are one of the most documented people on the face of this Earth, and it is easy to track a bloodline, that is of course IF you were Cherokee, which it is obvious that you both are not.
24249194Monday, Jun 22 at 11:00 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk, Stand straight and quit quoting BS people of the past when the truth be known we want to be recognized as Cherokees as you are. Not because of some Indian agent BS law that discounted many of us. Because of the media we can now stand up for our rights. There was a time when we were censored but now we can tell our side of the story. This is the reason why you are so afraid the truth hurts and your little world is crumbling around you. Afraid to share a little, huh?
24233369Monday, Jun 22 at 10:55 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Change Babblimg to Babbling Change thast to that Change he to the
24233122Monday, Jun 22 at 10:53 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Cornsilk you have a lot to fear I understand your babblimg and the law. The simple truth is thast a lot of us were born with Cherokee blood and we are here to stay until BSers like you let us in. Its like saying I saw that Ckerokee being born but lets take it to council. Council rules no he baby is not Cherokee is not Cherokee because father was English. BS!! What is the real truth-- you have a lot to lose if you let us in and reclaim our heritage. Two Feathers is right. Your afraid!
24232994Monday, Jun 22 at 6:21 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well TF, simply more babble that reiterates my claim that you newage babbling fools don’t have a Clue! No the DNA does not tell you who you are related to. Allen Lee explained DNA to you quite well. Its all quite simple TF simply read a little history, “George Gist/Guess/ Sequoyah” not sequoia, that is a Ca. Tree named after him! http://ngeorgia.com/ang/Sequoyah(a.k.a_George_Gist) Then there is this on Dragging Canoe: http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=D051. READ TF!
24221292Monday, Jun 22 at 1:48 AM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
Unless your DNA establishes a "LEGAL" right of inheritance, any racial revelations are ir-relevant.If my DNA proves that I am a direct descendant of the Pharoah, I would still have no legal right to call myself an Egyptian. Only if Egypt decided that someone hundreds of generation removed from a LEGAL ancestor could claim a by-blood right of citizenship would I be allowed to call myself an Egyptian. It's a matter of law, not DNA, race, or any other factor of eugenics.
24218227Sunday, Jun 21 at 11:32 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
Osiyo, If Sequoia and Dragging Canoe are not on any roles, does that mean they were not Cherokee? Are their decendants not Cherokee? DNA markers can tell you who you are related to. Families, reunited.......DNA. What is the CNO afraid of? Is there something else going on here? PM Kurux, How do we know for sure you are even Indian? Oh I forgot, can't handle opposing views from a Cherokee. What you call newage babble, is enlightenmant for those that cannot see, and cannot here. Like you.
24216252Sunday, Jun 21 at 12:58 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Dang kurux, sadly they can't, because in order to, they must know something and these babbling fools just don't have a dang clue!
24200427Sunday, Jun 21 at 11:31 AM kurux wrote ...
geez, can you wanna be's PLEASE keep your babbling to some other new age website?! This is a legitimate news source, and the real indians on here dont want to read about your magical fantasies nor halucinations. Thank You. Please discuss the politics at hand.
24197909Saturday, Jun 20 at 6:27 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
The moment has arisen from the ashes of the Old Cherokee Nation of Indians. There are many aspects to the 1866 Treaty. It's not just about the Freedman. Congress, you must uphold the Treaty of 1866. May there be one of the many that has the wisdom of King Soloman. In the immortal words of Thomas Jefferson, "For here we are not afraid of follow truth, wherever it may lead; nor to tolerate any error so long as reason is lift to combat it".
24178607Saturday, Jun 20 at 6:12 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
Osiyo, Dear Congress, I charge you to add a Constitutional amendment provided by the Treaty of New Enchota, 1835, Article 7, and Article 5 and Article 6 of the United States Constitution that would require representation in the House of Representatives by a Cherokee Indian.
24178284Saturday, Jun 20 at 5:56 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
Osiyo, Dear Congress, We need you to honor the Treaty of 1866. Please release land in the Outlet West provided by Treaty, so that we may accommodate our citizens, Freedman included.
24177969Saturday, Jun 20 at 5:40 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
Osiyo, Dear Congress, there are hundreds of thousands of Cherokees that want our Article's of Protection in the Treaties. The citizen's of the US have done well. Why is Congress still punishing us, we the people of The Old Cherokee Nation of Indians. Release the land held in trust for all of us. Please release land for the refugees(Freedman) We need tractors, machines of all kinds of farming.
24177619Saturday, Jun 20 at 11:37 AM Anonymous wrote ...
Dang another newage babbling wannabee!! Ole wize one, where in hades do all you excrement-heads come from anyway...Now if ya wann learn about Sovereignty what it is where it comes from and what does it do Read the piece www.cornsilks.com/asovereignty.html by my son David Cornsilk, and for ever shuck this suit of ignertz from whence you post! CNOT is abusing enrollment, but not with you wannabees, with the Cherokee Freedmen...Wolfie simply google John Cornsilk bet you can see a picture of me!
24167057Saturday, Jun 20 at 10:42 AM Wise One wrote ...
Sovereignty does not translate as the tribal governing body, waving a magic wand every time a complex issue arises, and dissolving problems immediately - it is more. Sovereignty includes human rights and dignity also, as the forefathers placed highly, in the coexistence among animals, plants, family/friends, humans, etc., while avoiding political, religious and economic chaos. Today's tribal leaders conduct many abuses among those it is to serve, especially within enrollment - this must stop.
24165429Saturday, Jun 20 at 10:12 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
toy to day you very well continued: and shot my people in the face. Of course this was after sitting down to bread with them. Why did you do that to my people? Your always accusing everyone else of being redneck maybe you are. Two feathers id right about the law thats what upsets you so much. he knows his law. Now we need to fairly share what morsels given to us. You can't have the whole loaf all the time. Just isn't right. Don't worry you'll always be the Dathan.
24164454Saturday, Jun 20 at 10:07 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Hey Cornsilk have you ever imagined that there are many Cherokees who for one reason or another was left out. Who cares why it just isn't fair nor is it morally right. Your like dathan of the Hebrew people. Always on the side of the Eyptian people so he could always have it good while betraying his own people. He was Jewish but wanted the best for hinself so he always betrayed. Like the Pilgrims and natives on Thanksgiving toy very well be one of those rednecks who pulled out a huge musket cont
24164274Saturday, Jun 20 at 9:59 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Hey Cornsilk you are so wrong and off course. If you saw me face to face you would know that I am not a red neck trying to pass. More then likely I have more Cherokee blood coarsing through my little finger then you have in your intire body. The problem here is that we Cherokees want our promised land and rights and you are of a few who want to keep it from us. We;re not new age wannabes but real down to earth Cherokees. Maybe you one of those pale skins trying to pass Cornsilk. God is watching
24164047Saturday, Jun 20 at 4:56 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well wolfie this is a pipe-dream of the half dz or so Southern Cherokee Nations, and all you wannabee sympathizers of the southern BS craze! you need to enlighten yourself simply read Article 6 it tells you this EVIL was wiped out and all Cherokee in ALL Districts were to be equally represented in the Cherokee Nation government by this treaty, SO ya see it does nothing but Unite!! Nothing you new-age jerkwad wannabee Cherokee can say is gonna change that, its just that dang simple!
24157492Saturday, Jun 20 at 12:34 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Osiyo, John, Let me enlighten you about the 1866 Treaty. The Treaty unites as well as divides. It unites the Freedman with our nation, Article 4. It divides the so-called Southern Cherokee bounderies...seven counties as provided in Article 8 and Article 4. These are in full force by the Treaty of 1866! Kapplers laws University of Oklahoma. John, if you disagree.....take it up with Congress and good luck changing The Supreme Law of the Land! Therefore it divides and unites.
24154219Friday, Jun 19 at 9:57 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
And quite simply YOU wolfie, will NEVER be united because you are a redneck Cherokee wannabee, one in a million or so!!
24106632Friday, Jun 19 at 9:55 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Dang wolfie, what a bunch of new age male-bovine excrement! There is no U,S. Statute that separate the Cherokee Nation, one that unites is the 1866 Treaty. Yes the Cherokee have theirs that unite but it is not being adhered to, totally ignored that is the 1839 Constitution of the Cherokee. And the 1976 BS By then Chief Ross Swimmer called a Constitution was being used, Smith is trying to circumvent that, with the 99 BS, like swimmer did to the 1839. Yes CNOT is a BIA puppet!
24106439Thursday, Jun 18 at 6:35 PM Tracking Wolfie wrote ...
Ley to let
24078419Thursday, Jun 18 at 6:34 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
The year is 2009 and we still fight over Congressional laws that separate the Great Cherokee Nation. Then there is the tribal laws because the Cherokee rule themselves and have their own Constitution. Or do we? We argue constantly about who is Cherokee and who is not. Even now after hundred of years we are still puppets dangling from the puppet masters string. Why? If your not part of the solution you are the problem. For whom the bell tolls it tolls for thee. Ley us unite and become strong.
24078377Wednesday, Jun 17 at 11:46 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Allen Lee, how they should respond is very simple for the Court "according to law", and for Congress "according to their fiduciary duty to the Cherokee People", and for Obama, it may depend on his ego, he did make a pretty strong statement in the beginning, that congress should stay out of it... If he is the man I think he is, he will come down on the side of justice! Quite simply he was throughly BS by Brad Carson on behalf of CNOT, Man enough to realize this and act is the question!!
23971017Wednesday, Jun 17 at 2:10 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Then he placed 14 possibility bags before me, so I may take one for my journey. I asked my council, the owl, what do see for us? He looked at me, and said; Out of the 14, take seven, that is your inheritence. The other seven I will give to the CNO. Your journey, will not be easy and one that will take 400 years and the Freedman will finally be free.
23947334Wednesday, Jun 17 at 1:48 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
The Hawk(CNO)flew and desired the decendents of the Freedman. But it wasn't so, because the ravens, airwolves, would not permit it. A tail feather was removed by each and every raven. The Hawk was unabled to fly. Moral of story. Restore the Freedman before you get your wings clipped.
23947047Wednesday, Jun 17 at 1:30 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
The injustice that is taking place against the Freedman, shames the CNO. Out of 35,000 years on Turtle Island, this is the gerneration, the Council.......the year you change your Constitution for evil. Monkey see, Monkey do. Had the Cherokee Nation of Indians not fallen, we could not have arisen. If we had not sat in darkness The Great Spirit YHWY, would not have been a light for us.
23946782Wednesday, Jun 17 at 12:52 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
I sat at the waters edge, and I had this vision. One day, all Cherokee arrows shall be bound together. Strong, very strong, and each arrow shall represent one Cherokee. As the Spirit of the arrows are strongly bound this shall symbolize the complete union of the Cherokees. Thus all the Cherokees united completely and enfolded together, united into one head, one body and one mind. The wind blew from the west, and the ocean roared, it is time for all Cherokees to go home. Osiyo,are you listening?
23946062Wednesday, Jun 17 at 12:14 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Hi-la-yu-i tsi-lv-quo-di na-s-gi-ya-i a-ma flows a nv-ne-hi among ni-ga-da Cherokees na-hi-yu-i wisdom begins. WE become to technical by laws that were never enforced and much wisdom was lost. Compassion love and mercy became nothing. Now we fight with words of law that are meaningless unless we Cherokees unite and become one people. Simple words are better so everyone understands. Sematics and scholarly words drown out understanding and makes it difficult for most. Speak the truth.
23945137Tuesday, Jun 16 at 11:59 PM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
On point Kurux. The Chickasaw Freedmen Descendants may be the only tribal slave descendants to have a right to a separate sovereign nation and a right to determine their membership due to a failure of both the Chickasaw Nation and the U.S. to live up to the terms of what was agreed by treaty. The fact that the Cherokee Nation adopted their Freedmen would remove that right as separate sovereigns, as was established with the Cherokee Delaware. Wonder how congress, courts,Obama will respond?
23944722Tuesday, Jun 16 at 11:35 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
I saw an angel on its onward flight; with a seed of truth love and light; where shall I plant this seed of truth love and light; when fully grown will bare most fruit; and the Great Creator smiled and said," put the seed in the heart of a Cherokee child". Do not breed hate and discontent among our children. This will be the generation that overcomes and instills the new beginning of the Cherokee Nation. Listen to Two Feathers he will lead us out of this present day darkness.
23944037Tuesday, Jun 16 at 1:56 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Yep kurux, and this why all the squawking by CNOT with all this equine excrement they and the CNOT-sucks blather!! And Smith in DC wasting all this money on lobbyist, an racist sympathizers like Boren and Cole Hawking their BS in the name of Racism for CNOT and Smith! And this Article by Jasper is nothing but the same PURE BS fed all Babblers by Smith!
23911349Tuesday, Jun 16 at 1:39 PM kurux wrote ...
dang... so back to the article before all the new age banter.. The Five tribes dont need to be afraid of any investigation, except for the Cherokee Nation and maybe Seminole. As i said before, the Chickasaw are not obliged to enroll any of their Freedmen, and the Creek and Choctaw may not need to on account they are re-organized. Though the Seminole enrolled their Freedmen, they dont have equal rights, and this may not fly, BUT then again it may. The only big losers here is the Cherokee Admn
23910282Tuesday, Jun 16 at 8:14 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
I didn't plan it that way, but a post for each of you babbling wannabees! Devine Providence me thinks!!
23885422Tuesday, Jun 16 at 8:07 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Same song different dance, but at least the newage babbling wannabee twofeathers dropped trying to talk Cherokee, now if only twolfie would drop newagey-ignert babble and at least say something of consequence! Admittedly he did have one good line s/he-it said: “very soon we will have a united Cherokee nation. We will stand tall, humble and proud. Our heritage is restored” YES very true, Congress must do its fiduciary duty to all Cherokee People, and wipe out CNOT, plain and simple!!
23885017Tuesday, Jun 16 at 8:00 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Same song different dance, but at least the newage babbling wannabee twofeathers dropped trying to talk Cherokee, now if only twolfie would drop newagey-ignert babble and at least say something of consequence! Admittedly he did have one good line s/he-it said: “very soon we will have a united Cherokee nation. We will stand tall, humble and proud. Our heritage is restored” YES very true, Congress must do its fiduciary duty to all Cherokee People, and wipe out CNOT, plain and simple!!
23884549Tuesday, Jun 16 at 1:12 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
I run through the woods everyday and the wolf runs with me. WE are a special breed of tracker. Like the beast master I see through the wolves eyes and the vision is simple and clear. very soon we will have a united Cherokee nation. We will stand tall, humble and proud. Our heritage is restored. Position yourself in a positive path and pray for clarity and one purpose a United nation of Cherokees. Two Feathers ride upon the back of the eagle and let your wisdom carry us home. Cherokee nation!!!!!
23876582Tuesday, Jun 16 at 1:00 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Fethers to Feathers
23876322Tuesday, Jun 16 at 12:59 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Well said, Two Fethers. truly a man of vision. A real Cherokee who cares for all and not just a few snot nose full blooded Euro's trying to fake everyone out with their drop of Native American blood. Like Two feathers said we're coming home so get ready for the party. We will dance around the fire and through the fire and we will dance. Stomp Stomp Stomp! Listen to Two feathers he wants to unite the Cherokee. we need leadership like this. Electrical storm a coming get ready for the jubilee.
23876302Tuesday, Jun 16 at 12:10 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
After nineteen Treaties.....acre for acre.....We have complete records. DNA and history. We know our story, as well as accurate records, micro-film, etc. So all you Cherokee Pirates......we're coming home. The Freedman Issue is starting to take hold with the general public and their watching. Don't shame the Cherokee People with your lack of wisdom. A fool will always remain a fool. Hundreds of thousands of Cherokees are watching the 1866 Treaty and are ready to come home. We will open the door.
23874882Monday, Jun 15 at 11:51 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
John, you say tomato, I say tomotto. What was the custom in the Old Cherokee Nation of Indians. Do you really know? Of course you don't! You use the word wannabe quite often. You need to be DNAed. Do you dance around the fire? I didn't think so. The majority of you that are citizens of the CNO are Cherokee pirates. You stole your citizenship over a century ago. You are also misinformed. We are recognized by Congress already. So is Tracking Wolfie. The writing is on the wall. Read it and weep.
23874087Monday, Jun 15 at 7:20 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well this just beats all, it ate the "o" in Nation and added characters "%20" just before english, take them out and add o in nation and it should work!
23857147Monday, Jun 15 at 7:10 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Dang Allen! This thing ate part of the URL see if this one is all here! http://www2.ohchr.org/ english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/usa/CherokeeNatin.pdf
23856579Monday, Jun 15 at 6:52 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Thanks Allen for keeping the readers posted on the facts, these babbling fools don't know squat they simply regurgitate what Smith Feeds um, hoping some will stick on some readers somewhere! BTW Allen Have you read the CERD report by Smith, this probably where some of the BS comes from see it at this link: http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/cerd/docs/ngos/usa/CherokeeNation.pdf See response to it at this link: http://www.tsalagithinktank.com/?p=58#commentsa Couple by lawyers!
23855484Monday, Jun 15 at 3:40 PM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
I re-iterate, the Dawes Roll(s), per Cherokee .org, have no foundation in tradition and/or custom of indigenous Cherokee people. It is a U.S. act not applicable to the United Nations Declaration of Rights for Indigenous Peoples
23841524Monday, Jun 15 at 10:32 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
My question for the evident newage babbling wannabee twofeathers why you say hello at then end oy your prattle, the proper term as some do in the whiteman way is "Thanks" in Cherokee it's wa-do! And trackinwolfie you sound just about as newagey-ignert, no actually stoopid!! If you are gonna babble at keast say something of consequence!
23787427Monday, Jun 15 at 10:20 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Upon Mt, Everest I clinbed and stretched out my arms and screamed with a warriors cry. When will my people the Cherokee Nation become justified. When will justice be established. Most Judges and lawyers keep us in turmoil citing laws and interpretation that are false. Like a seething virus they spread their propaganda that does not lift up the people but comfuses them and destroys their hope. Two Feathers a prince you must lead the people. russell and Chooge can leave now.
23786644Monday, Jun 15 at 10:11 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Two Feathers stands above his brother's and must seek his position amongst the brother's on the Cherokee council. He brings wisdom to the whole Cherokee Nation. He shares not selfish views but an honesty to lead our people to positive growth where all is equal. He flys with the eagles and soars above the trivial nonsense Russell and chooge spit out. WE have longed for such a prince and Two Feathers will soon lead. Russell and Chooge can leave the building now. Two Feathers again you are to lead
23786189Monday, Jun 15 at 7:38 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Then Allen and Folks, to get in to ths absolute BS by the babbling fools, ther just is not enough space, so I made a response on a seperate page and place it on my domain for you to read, simply copy and paste this url in to you search engine: http://cornsilks.com/afact.html
23778667Monday, Jun 15 at 5:48 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Allen L Lee, the sad simple fact is the these babbling fools as I keep saying simply regurgitate the equine excrement Smith fees them: and the biggest simple fallacy of the HS is the term “base roll” The Cherokee have no such thing they did in 1880 http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/1880census/ What membership is based on is the DAWES ROLLS all sections “Rolls” is the main operative factor! The petition to amend was BOGUS with CNOT court actually sanctioning crime.
23775982Monday, Jun 15 at 4:42 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Justice is not the same as the law. Natural justice is better, but what we are searching for is political justice. We're looking for a just Act! The actual doing of just deeds!
23775184Monday, Jun 15 at 4:24 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Tracking Wolfie.....Let's ride to Washington and see if we can get the two over worked employees in the BIA to recognize you Wolfie. It't almost 400 years for you too. Then we'll ride to Insular Affairs and ask them to help you lift the iron vail that has been placed before you. Then we look for just one in Congress that can honor the Treaties. O.K. if not a Senator or Congressman, you might have to settle for an aide who has a drinking problem that might have the courage. Osiyo
23774984Monday, Jun 15 at 4:02 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Tracking Wolfie, good news.......your 25 percent Cherokee has not been interrupted for at least 5,000 generations. Congratulations Wolfie. Now lets tell Congress of the Good News. First of all make sure your cheeks are healthy, because Congress will slap one cheek and perhaps you should turn the other cheek when speaking to the CNO. I almost forgot, whatch out for the thorns and the flogging is no fun. Wolfie don't worry, you will ride again for justice. Osiyo
23774779Monday, Jun 15 at 3:27 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Tracking Wolfie, there are seven deeds in which I need your help. The US needs to apologize. We need a memorial in Washington to the American Native Indian. A National Holiday on Black Friday after Thanksgiving. Free education for all ANI on Turtle Island. Undoing of the evil Dawes Act, and Justice for the Freedman.
23774492Monday, Jun 15 at 3:12 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Bureau of Ethnology.........page one thru eight, J.W.Powell. Tracking Wolfie ride with this information, and also remember this. "It was with amazement how they fell, like grasses in the wind. We can all relate to this. Also remember this. As long as grass grows and water flows. This is your inheritence from YHWY. The Dawes Act violated the Treaties. Tracking Wolfie, use quantum , and the foundation of the evil Dawes Act will crumbel like a stale peice of bread.
23774324Monday, Jun 15 at 2:35 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Tracking Wolfie, you are to kind. You are Cherokee Wolfie. All Treaties are in full force! Let the CNO argue who is and who isn't. The CNO 1975 Constitution was violated. There is to be representation on the Council for every 1000 citizens. We want our coffee pots, pans and everything else in the Treaties, and our land for the Freedman and all Cherokees on Turtle Island. The Treaty of 1866 specifies our bounderies in Indian Territory. The CNO does not speak for our Band. OUTLET WEST
23774002Monday, Jun 15 at 1:45 AM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
to anonymous, How is the descendant of a formerly subjugated member of the tribe, legally freed and made equal to you,a punishment to you?
23773472Monday, Jun 15 at 1:04 AM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
Big difference between "entitlements to enrollment" and a "right of recognition." Anyone can enroll and everyone can be refused enrollment. Persons with a right of recognition don't require entitlements for they are known to possess a right to belong, they are already enrolled. The Cherokee Nation had a clear legal description of who had a right to belong before they were terminated, and those with said rights are presumed to still be in possession of them, no permission required.
23772874Sunday, Jun 14 at 9:18 PM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
NDNLADY said: Mr Lee to say that the UNDRIP is being used to “defend” the Dawes Act is a stunningly ignorant statement. “ Dawes Act” had absolutely nothing to do with the Cherokee Nation" from Cherokee.org The Cherokee Nation voted on March 3, 2007 to amend our Constitution to clarify eligibility for Cherokee citizenship.... you must be able to trace your lineage to one Indian ancestor listed on the base roll of our people, also known as the DAWES ROLL. Our Constitution has been amended..."
23767089Sunday, Jun 14 at 4:58 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
AS for the rest of you Cherokee costapo storm troopers. The Nazi backed regime that you back will never stand again. You think you serve the Third Reich but I believe you mean to say the Third Crack. All these mini me hitlers walking around quoting false laws and decension. Racist of the worst kind. It is time fir this enlightened generation to move forward and establish equality for all Cherokees. I know excrement is flowing down your legs clean it up and become true bearers of the Cherokee.
23759227Sunday, Jun 14 at 4:51 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Again Two Feathers has honored the Cherokee nation in his proclamation of treaty law. There is no more honor then speaking the truth. It is not up for interpretation. Clearly his tongue speaks volumes of truth for the Cherikee Nation. It is my heartful desire to nominate him for Chief of the Cherokee nation. It is time for Chad Smith to step down and let a real Cherokee rule. This our nation has been tested and time has proved that we will not go away. WE need real leadership. Two Feathers lead.
23759017Sunday, Jun 14 at 4:44 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
I commend you on all points of law that you have referenced. It is true therefore one can induce by logical reasoning that the US Congress should enforce the teaties inspite of those Cherokee's who want to leave us out. If the treatie are the law then should not they be enforced. Is it interpetation of those laws that hold us back. Or is it just simple minded men and women playing ambiguous semantics to hold back the truth. Simple words are better then words that very few understand.
23758804Sunday, Jun 14 at 2:09 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
I was just notified of an article on the other CNOT rag, the Tahlequah Press, very surprising to see this kind of truth published there, read it you CNOTsuckin fools and pay sum dang tention! http://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/letters/local_story_163125858.html
23754112Sunday, Jun 14 at 12:18 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
listed on the Dawes Rolls is the key operative factor! Simply read my Freedmen history lesson http://jcornsilk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/05/09/2796349-history-of-the-cherokee-freedmen and forever shuck this suit of ignertz from whence you post! I just did another article today on the babblings of Smith on his speaking on the Freedmen at his award for the ambaastardship by red earth! See it at: http://www.cornsilks.com/bssmith.html
23750592Sunday, Jun 14 at 11:44 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Dang Anoyingmous, you and the NDNlady has to be the same jerkwad, you babble the same BS! You make some tru statements i.e. To enroll by Indian ancestry is our right. Only the tribe itself can decide who its lawful citizens are. That is a right guaranteed in federal and international human rights law. The international reference is totally inconsequential! As I said we exist at the whim of the U.S.Congress, plain and simple! Who owned slaves is inconsequential as well the Cherokee Freedmen
23749474Sunday, Jun 14 at 8:49 AM Anonymous wrote ...
To enroll by Indian ancestry is our right. Like every other indigenous people in the world. Only the tribe itself can decide who its lawful citizens are. That is a right guaranteed in federal and international human rights law. Freedmen descendants would deny the Cherokee Nation its lawful rights because over 140 years ago 376 of our ancestors owned slaves. The Cherokee Nation has always honored our treaties. The United States never has. Who is being punished for the actions of ancestors?
23743719Sunday, Jun 14 at 7:28 AM NDNLady wrote ...
Mr Lee to say that the UNDRIP is being used to “defend” the Dawes Act is a stunningly ignorant statement. “ Dawes Act” had absolutely nothing to do with the Cherokee Nation. Dawes ERA legislation destroyed our country and paralyzed our government for seventy years. This violated every standard recognized in the UNDRIP as well as every treaty provision that guaranteed our country to us. It also ended ANY treaty entitlements to enrollment. We enroll by Indian ancestry like other tribe.
23741519Sunday, Jun 14 at 6:21 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well T wolfie, this raises the question, what ¼ part of your body is Native, or is it really! That is just a BS way to give credence to ole family equine excrement about being Cherokee, the people from India have the same dang marker!! The ONLY thing DNA is accepted as is, “who is your daddy“! Now if he was a Cherokee BY LAW, then whoopee so ye be!! Wanna know how Cherokee think here is a thread from my Forum:http://www.network54.com/Forum/237458/message/1188493003/Re- thin bloods read it and pa
23740392Saturday, Jun 13 at 11:33 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
I am DNA tested and it proves that I am 25 Percent Native American. By family history I can prove my ancestry Cherokee. A long comes the Dawe's list and I am now not Cherokee. Stupidity at its best. Chances are I have more Cherokee blood flowing through my veins the those on the Dawe's call list. I am thinking probably if everyone were tested that it would prove out there are a lot of white people on the list. That would be a sad day for Cherokees everywhere, duped again.
23735514Saturday, Jun 13 at 11:26 PM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Think and reason in your own mind the possibilities of letting your brother's and sister's in and stop all you child play. Nan Nan Boo Boo I am Cherokee and your not. WhY? because the Dawe's call list says so. There is still more racism in this country then any other on the planet. WE hide behind false phasads. The Congress of the USA can at anytime change all this nonsense save for Cherokee;s in Washington lobbying against the introduction of new law to let all Cherokees in. Common now.
23735389Saturday, Jun 13 at 11:19 PM TrackingWofie wrote ...
It is time for enlightment. Cherokee's are a conquered people but have mixed with other races. The U. S. Congress contends if you are at least 10 percent of any race you can choose that race as your ethnic background so I contend that I am Cherokee by reasoning that I was born part Cherokee 25 percent therefore by law you must accept me. Enought about the laws lets quandum jump to justice. Yes Marshall sided with the Cherokee but Jackson removed anyway. The treaty of 1866 still stands.
23735279Saturday, Jun 13 at 5:34 PM kurux wrote ...
Well, i should have written it differently, that was the RULING of the Federal Appeals court. It is settled law. Chad will be convicted, and all of you guys will shut up.
23725659Saturday, Jun 13 at 12:48 PM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
The "avenging" Freedmen Descendant site provides for my conclusion. An heir or descendant can not be held accountable for the status or actions of an ancestor and punished in the deceased ancestors stead. This is the essence of Indian country dis-enrollments , not just with Freedmen Descendants. Lawfully entitled and recognized tribal members are having their tribal citzenship removed because of the status on an ancestor. Forced removal of citizenship is considered punishment.
23716729Saturday, Jun 13 at 12:13 PM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
If that "avenging" Freedmen descendant website resulted in a Rwanda style ethnic genocide against decendants of slaveowners, then that person and everyone participating or condoning it would be held accountable. Darren Buzzards words help resulted in a law of racial exclusion voted on by 3% of the Cherokee population. As a Cherokee law, the entire Cherokee population is accountable to/for it. There's more to it than an opinion of a malcontent.
23715749Saturday, Jun 13 at 11:45 AM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
The United Nations Declaration of Rights For Indigenous Peoples can in no way be perceived as defending any portion of the Dawes Act, including the Rolls, as an indigenous right. The CNO exclusion amendment is based on the Dawes Act, an act that resulted in the imprisonment of indigenous peoples at Alcatraz for their refusal to participate. Several different Acts follow attempting to correct a wrong(Dawes) that the CNO has revived in order to establish the racial criteria of who is an Indian.
23714857Saturday, Jun 13 at 10:48 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Good point NDNlady, but just as asinine as all of your babble, of course Buzzard does not speak for all Cherokee or even most the IGNERT that voted for the kick out, because they were BS'ed by the equine excrement! You can bet your sweet bippie he speaks for ALL you CNOT-suckin babblin idiots that continually prattle this regurgitated male bovine excrement of Smiths! Yes Garfield is settled Law, based on some BS you pointed out “pro tanto” remember the meaning of pro tanto!
23712994Saturday, Jun 13 at 7:08 AM NDNLady wrote ...
Kurux there was a website (thankfully taken down now) run by a freedmen descendant that celebrated the brutal murder of a nineteen year old girl in Atlanta calling it “avenging” the slave history of her ancestor, Chief John Ross. Does that person speak for all freedmen descendants do you suppose? Nor does Darren Buzzard speak for all Cherokees. And nothing Anthony Kennedy has said is settled law since the case is far from over. Garfield is settled law. It was affirmed by the Supremes
23706279Friday, Jun 12 at 8:44 PM Two Feathers wrote ...
There seems to be a crack, a small opening, a slight fracture in the evil Dawes Act. The CNO does not want their Cherokee brothers and sisters to have the Articles of Protection from the Treaties. I charge all members of the CNO to prove their lineage for at least 400 years. Then be DNA tested, trust but verify, We can! The CNO is a puppet for the puppet master. Move a string, slavery is adopted, pull another string and the freedman are denied citizenship. Puppet Master...Where's the honor?
23693844Friday, Jun 12 at 6:11 PM Kurux wrote ...
It wasnt about RACE huh?: Don’t get taken advantage of by these people. They will suck you dry…Don’t let black freedmen back you into a corner. PROTECT CHEROKEE CULTURE FOR OUR CHILDREN. FOR OUR DAUGHTER[S] . . . FIGHT AGAINST THE INFILTRATION (sic). [Darren Buzzard, an advocate of expelling blacks from the Cherokee nation] Buzzard was a petition carrier, crony of Chief Smith and visited Cherokee communities with him. This and other racist remarks were on campaign literature during the vote.
23688512Friday, Jun 12 at 5:48 PM kurux wrote ...
most of you people are talking like fools and just repeating what Chad Smith had told you to. This is not an issue of sovereignty. We CAN choose our citizenship. WE CANNOT, and do not make it 'all indian' by simply cutting off the Freedmen section of the DAWES ROLLS. Ther are WHITES on the byblood rolls. IF we had a real Blood Quantum, this would do the trick of eliminating the no bloods in all sections of the Dawes. But kicking out just the blacks only makes the tribe more WHITE not Indian
23687942Friday, Jun 12 at 5:38 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Continued for NDNlady: BS you with! Actuall folks if you do read the case pay particular ti the item narked with *4 this is where she got the bit she tried to BS you with the complete section is a good read as to what the law is!
23687599Friday, Jun 12 at 5:38 PM Kurux wrote ...
Cont....-The tribe does not just lack a “special sovereignty interest” in discriminatory elections — it lacks any sovereign interest in such behavior. -opinion of the Federal Appeals Court in DC, in Vann v. Kempthorne. CNO has NO ability to exclude the Freedmen PERIOD. Smith will be convicted of acting outside his office, and the Freedmen will be enrolled. Smith is idiotically bringing up all these old acts, that may just whittle away more of the CNO's "sovereignty". What a DOPE!
23687592Friday, Jun 12 at 5:35 PM Kurux wrote ...
The Cherokee Nation has no interest in protecting a sovereignty concern that has been taken away by the United States. As the district court went to great lengths to explain, the Thirteenth Amendment and the 1866 Treaty whittled away the tribe’s sovereignty with regard to slavery and left it powerless to discriminate against the Freedmen on the basis of their status as former slaves. The tribe does not just lack a “special sovereignty interest” in discriminatory elections —
23687494Friday, Jun 12 at 5:32 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
No NDNlady this what I mean about trying to BS the People These are opinions of the justices for arriving at the ruling, the ruling of this court is one word “REVERSED”! Well at least you did pull a good line that just dang near says the BS Smith tries to peddle to the world; Superseded Article 9 of the Treaty, this is Dicta just as I said, BUT, people look up the word “ pro tanto” it is Latin for "only to that extent." Thus putting a totally different take to the words NDNlady trying to
23687382Friday, Jun 12 at 5:25 PM Kurux wrote ...
Osiyo, I am a fullblood Cherokee. When I was growing up we knew the Freedmen were cherokees to. most of them knew how to speak cherokee, and we would sit and visit. Nowadays everyone wants to be cherokee, and now all these whotes signed up for car tags, housing and IHS. The way I see it these white people just got mad because they dont want to share with the black people. This is no the cherokee way, and they should be ashamed. Our way is the white path which includes all colors of men.-Jo-La
23685787Friday, Jun 12 at 4:28 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Garfield took away the enrollment and allotments of a family who were deemed ineligible under the treaty. The holding is in the first paragraph under the title of the case and it decidedly is not dicta. It says: "Act Cong. April 26, 1906, c. 1876, Sec 3 declaring what persons shall be eligible for enrollment as Cherokee citizens, constituted a legislative interpretation of, and superseded pro tanto, article 9 of the Cherokee treaty of August 11, 1866, 14 Stat. 801, defining such citizenship.
23682274Friday, Jun 12 at 3:07 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Continued for NDNlady: the court order of this case simply states a case was reversed giving back citizenship rights and the rights to their property to a family has absolutely nothing to with the populace and their citizenship in general. And the facts you will see in the dicta is citations of all the pertinent laws at the time, and that danf well do exist today! The 1906 Act is another whole story I may touch on since the babbler mentioned it completely out of context!
23677792Friday, Jun 12 at 3:06 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well NDNlady this is the absolute equine excrement smith continually feeds you babbling fools to regurgitate hoping some will stick on the unlearned or unknowing! In the words of the author with Barney Franks words it can not be any clearer! The 18866 Treaty is in effect today! And yes folks by all means read the case http://www.cornsilks.com/1909 Garfield V. U.S ..html And as usual you will see the babbling fool attempts to pull lines from the dicta of the case to make a BOGUS point,
23677724Friday, Jun 12 at 2:34 PM NDNLady wrote ...
Our oldest customs and traditions defined membership by ancestry or marriage. There is nothing racist about it. Then or now. The law you quoted said existing treaties. By 1934, Article 9 of the Treaty of 1866 no longer existed. It had been nullified by one act of Congress and the actual language of the article had been superseded by another act of Congress. The 1906 5 Tribes Act limited the beneficiaries of the Treaty to a very specific group of people. Read GARFIELD v.UNITED STATES EX REL LOWE
23675569Friday, Jun 12 at 2:10 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
guarantees their independence, subject to the restrictions that their laws shall be consistent with the Constitution and the Acts of Congress which regulates intercourse with the Indians With cited case law that governs this fact. A footnote states: “This is not to suggest that a tribes existence depends on the federal Government but rather recognition of a tribe to share in a government to Government relationship with the United States. This federal recognition can be granted, continued or te
23673917Friday, Jun 12 at 2:04 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Anoyingmoous you can bet your sweet bippie I believe that, quite simply because it is a fact of the matter just as the lawyer wrote it. Were it not so, you could also bet your sweet bippie Smith would be uabashedly telling the U.S.Congress to kiss his sweet bippie, instead he is in DC beggin for mercy as we speak, I just hope he is stupid enough to try an buy favor! You mention page 9, why not 10 where it says; “ This organization [Cherokee Nation] is not only under the sanction of the
23673524Friday, Jun 12 at 1:49 PM Ray wrote ...
Race has nothing to do with ‘Indigenous’ anywhere. Indigenous peoples come in all races in different places around the world. It is up to any given Indigenous people to determine what their own identity and their own culture is, not non-Indigenous people and not government. Your continual effort to play the race card makes as much sense as your calling The ‘1934 Indian Reorganization Act’ the ‘Indigenous Rights Act.’ By June 18 1934, entitlements to enrollment had not existed for over 20 years.
23672472Friday, Jun 12 at 12:45 PM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
Racism as a tradition or custom can not be established in pre-contact Cherokee culture. If you are referring to tradition and custom adopted from Euro-American race concepts, most of the early forms, the Cherokee Nation can not be endorsed in reviving such concepts under the guise of indigenous rights Act of June 18, 1934. Nothing in the Act of June 18, 1934, shall be construed to abrogate or impair any rights guaranteed under any existing treaty with any Indian tribe,
23668047Friday, Jun 12 at 12:41 PM Ray wrote ...
Indigenous individuals have the right to belong to their own Indigenous nation in accordance with the traditions and customs of the nation concerned (as opposed to in accordance with Acts of Congress, which would undermine this human right). There is no right to citizenship in an Indigenous nation that does not include ‘the traditions and customs of the nation concerned’ as the nation itself determines its own citizens and its own identity.
23667757Friday, Jun 12 at 12:27 PM anonymous wrote ...
I can see why J. Cornsilk continues with his colonized vew: the legal brief he's been carrying on about at page 9 states: "Cherokee Nation is a sovereign nation, but similar to the fifty states and other Indian nations, Cherokee Nation is also subjugated to the supremacy of the federal government and federal law." Does Cornsilk really believe this? Evidently so.
23666844Friday, Jun 12 at 12:18 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Exactly So Ray, and that is what puts you babble in the realm of IGNERT if you gonna babble learn of which you blather!! Remember we are a dependent Sovereign with in the borders of our conqueror, your idea would hold water were we a border Nation or on another continent…As I said Justice Marshall put it pretty dang plain in 1831 in the supreme court case! Quite simply we are subject to the whim of the U.S. Congress and the PLENARY authority over all Indians/Nation, just pretty dang simple!!
23666164Friday, Jun 12 at 12:04 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Then NDNlady to finish splainin this idiotic babble of yours, again wrong! we are as a Nation most certainly obligated to include all Cherokee descendants of the Cherokee citizens enumerated on the Dawes Rolls, Freemen section INCLUDED, on any membership roll done, and CNOT HAS, unless I miss something that said except for any black skinned people, because blood requirement is certainly not a requirement. See this court ruling http://www.cornsilks.com/allendecision.html
23665154Friday, Jun 12 at 12:04 PM Ray wrote ...
The point of the Act of 1902 was to “freeze” Indians and ‘Indian nations”. No land, no government, no citizens. However the Cherokee people, as an Indigenous people, did not become extinct. The Cherokee Nation has the inherent (belonging by nature) and inalienable (not subject to forfeiture) right to determine its own identity or membership in accordance with its own customs and traditions because it exists, and did not become extinct. This is a collective human right of an Indigenous people.
23665149Friday, Jun 12 at 11:45 AM Hattie wrote ...
[cont] The plan was “speedy removal” and “the extinction of one generation of people to make room for another”, as Jackson said. “What good man would prefer a country covered with forests and ranged by a few thousand savages to our extensive Republic, studded with cities, towns, and prosperous farms … filled with all the blessings of liberty, civilization, and religion?” In 1902, when “entitlement to enrollment” was limited to the living, it had the same premise – Indians will become extinct.
23663747Friday, Jun 12 at 11:43 AM Hattie wrote ...
Two Feathers, you don’t mention that the words ‘such lands shall revert to the United States if the Indians become extinct” come from the 1830 Indian Removal Act and the 1846 Treaty with the Cherokee, not the Act of 1902 or the Treaty of 1866. It is important to remember the government’s purpose from Removal to the Dawes era. Pres. Andrew Jackson to Congress in 1830: “perhaps cause them gradually … to cast off their savage habits and become an interesting, civilized, and Christian community …”
23663609Friday, Jun 12 at 11:13 AM Johb Cornsilk wrote ...
NDNlady, Also note ARTICLE 15 of the Treaty, it says “The United States may settle any civilized Indians, friendly with the Cherokees and adjacent tribes, within the Cherokee country on unoccupied land” resulting in the Delaware, and Shawnee being made Cherokee Citizens, by mutual agreements of1867 & 1869 respectively! This is most assuredly about race and a Racist Chief!! The Watson Bill splains that if you will simply read it!
23661364Friday, Jun 12 at 11:05 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well NDNlady the UNDRIP is inconsequential to the fact of the matter, at least you finally got a bit right though… YES article 9 of the 1866 Treaty made the black Cherokee/Freed /African Slaves Citizens of the Cherokee nation blood be danged, and as Barney Frank Stated the law Stands Today, the equine excrement, Smith feeds you and you regurgitate is just that pure equine excrement! Did you read this legal Brief it splains it all: http://www.cornsilks.com/ralphkeenbrief.pdf
23660682Friday, Jun 12 at 10:43 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
uf to of
23658932Friday, Jun 12 at 10:42 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
endues change to ensues
23658849Friday, Jun 12 at 10:36 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
injustice
23658357Friday, Jun 12 at 10:35 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
When the sons of men do not correct the wrongs of the past the stife endues forever. Wrongs like a deep embedded boil in the skin destroys the tissue around it. Is the Cherokee Nation like a boil. Why fight amongst ourselves? Ban together and start a healing of our true Nation. There is plenty for all and unless we stop fighting the boil is going to consume us. Throw fresh figs on the wound and bring the poison uf inhustice out and let the healing balm begin. What are you so afraid of?
23658219Friday, Jun 12 at 10:26 AM TrackingWolfie wrote ...
Never once in all my years of study have I come across any treaty or fact of law thats ends with now and forever. Each generation of law makers saw things as they were at the time but left the door open for change and amendment. As I see it it is clear it is this generation who will right the wrongs of the past. Barney Franks is correct in saying the treaty of 1866 is still enforce. Men of true heart and forsight have the wisdom to understand what needs to be done. The rest talk like the wind.
23657554Friday, Jun 12 at 9:07 AM NDNLady wrote ...
From the UNDRIP Indigenous peoples have the right to determine their own identity or membership in accordance with their customs and traditions. The original freedmen WERE included by Cherokee law in response to a treaty provision. That provision no longer exists. We have no obligation to include ANYONE unless the majority of Cherokees choose to. They have not. This is not about race. It is not about who is Chief. It is about the right of the Cherokee Nation to determine their membership
23651779Friday, Jun 12 at 8:43 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
CNOT-suckin Dipstics, there is even more reading for you to alleviate this affliction of Dipsticness! And as I said its all at www.cornsilks.com but so you wont have to hunt, here is the first to read: http://www.justice.gov/osg/briefs/1988/sg880330.txt and then if you fail to grasp the meaning here is a piece by a lawyer that splains it for ya: http://www.cornsilks.com/Dario1&2.html
23650232Friday, Jun 12 at 6:32 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
To all you CNOT-suckin Babbling idiots trying to BS the world with all these one line bits of pure BS from lame sources, as I keep telling you its all been researched for you at www.cornsilks.com, a Legal document you will find there, and its not that hard to read and understand will enlighten you no end on the facts of the Cherokee Freedmen’s rights to Cherokee Citizenship, its here: http://www.cornsilks.com/ralphkeenbrief.pdf Read it dang it!!
23643734Friday, Jun 12 at 2:41 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Article 1........."to assure the tribe or nation with which the exchange is made, that the United States will forever secure and guarantee to them, and their heirs or successors, the country so exchanged with them; and if they prefer it, that the United States will cause a patent or grant to be made and executed to them for the same:Provided, always, That such lands shall revert to the United States if the Indians become extinct. What's up with this last line?
23640897Friday, Jun 12 at 2:24 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Article 6......And should any such law, either in its provisions or in the manner of its enforcement, in the opinion of the President of the United States, operate unjustly or injuriously in said district, he is hereby authorized and empowered to correct such evil, and to adopt the means necessary to secure the impartial administration of justice, as well as a fair and epuitable application and expenditure of the national funds as between the people of this and of every othe district in nation.
23640649Friday, Jun 12 at 2:16 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Article 9............and their descendnts, shall have all the rights of native Cherkees: Article 14...........the use and occupancy of a quantity of land not exceeding one hundred and sixty acres: Article 31.......All provisions of treaties heretofore ratified and in force....................
23640594Friday, Jun 12 at 1:59 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Dear Honorable Attorney General Eric Holder, You will find that if DNA is used, many Cherokees were punished by the US. Most of the Cherokees are outside of the Four federally recongnized Cherokee Tribes. Don't believe, than DNA. We the people, have been unjustly punnished. The freedman are cut of the same cloth. It is up to Congress and you to mend what has been torn. Osiyo
23640319Friday, Jun 12 at 1:35 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Dear Honorable Barney Frank, and The Honorable Black Caucus. Article 8, 1866 Treaty. The Freedman are our citizens. We want land according to the Treaties for our citizens. The OUTLET WEST as far as the UNITED STATES is sovereign. We have honored all the Treaties and may you in Congress, honor the Constitution. If not now when? Osiyo
23639772Thursday, Jun 11 at 9:46 PM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
Ray said: “but they are not collectively a distinct ‘Indigenous people’.” I say: “The point is that Cherokee Freedmen were recognized as part of the collective by the tribe and the federal government. They were not required to be indigenous either as slaves or as freedmen citizens. also "Cherokee Agreement, Roll of Citizenship, July 1, 1902 SEC. 26. …and no child born thereafter to a citizen, and no white person …shall be entitled to enrollment" 1902 meant Indians as well
23630772Thursday, Jun 11 at 9:38 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Dang kurux there is just no talking to these CNOT suckin dipstics, they been gobblin this Smith Equine excrement so long they appear to actually believe it! Its all Documented folks, if they or anyone would bother with some real research, instead they pick a line here or there that might fool people that don't bother to look! Very sad situation folks, I am surprised Smith doesn’t rein in the idiots for they sure don’t help his image any!!
23630422Thursday, Jun 11 at 8:33 PM Ray wrote ...
The Act of 1902 says, in fact, “…no Act of Congress or treaty provision inconsistent with this agreement shall be in force in said Nation except sections 14 [regarding use of Arkansas law in town incorporations] and 27 [regarding locating an Indian inspector] of said last-mentioned [Curtis] Act, which shall continue in force as if this agreement had not been made.” It does not say that the Curtis Act remains in force, only those two sections, and it in no way changes the citizenship limitation.
23626019Thursday, Jun 11 at 6:57 PM kurux wrote ...
Dang, yall need to read. The 1902 act would FREEZE the CN totally. SO if there were no freedmen, ther would be no Citizens period, except for the original dawes enrollees who are over 100 yr by now. This act of 1902 would apply across the board, not just to the Fredmen. Note in the language you cite it says all "citizens" with no mention to specifically freedmen. Chad always says full force in effect, and this would mean full force with all it s citizenry.
23618059Thursday, Jun 11 at 6:28 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Part 2: The first part they leave off, it says an act for the protection of the people, also known as the Curtis Act, which says: The Curtis Act, (Act of June 28, 1898), ch. 517, 30 Stat. 495. Section 28 of the Curtis Act provided that on July 1, 1898, "all tribal courts in Indian Territory shall be abolished. And the last part that says: in said nation except last-mentioned act, which shall continue in force as if this agreement had not been made. And that means the Curtis Act.
23614044Thursday, Jun 11 at 6:27 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Anoyingmouse! Once again you try to BS the readers with the equine excrement that smith feeds you on and about the 1902 act, if people will take the time to read they will see the absolute BS, it’s a shame there is not enough room here to lay it all out for you, I will try to get enough said for you to see what I mean in a couple of posts, but people if you will look you will see the mentioned act is incomplete they post bits and pieces that will sort of say what they want you to believe.
23614012Thursday, Jun 11 at 4:42 PM Turner wrote ...
Admit it, John. You've got a chicken bone stuck in your craw about the current administration and you will oppose anything the CN does regardless of what it is. If the CN had voted for the Freedmen, you'd be out banging a skillet against the Freedmen. You just like attention and this is all you'll get from me here. Get over it. Watson needs to take care of her own state that's about to go belly up. She didn't get support for her termination bill last time and she won't get it this time either.
23608819Thursday, Jun 11 at 4:36 PM anonymous wrote ...
Hey John: Here are your words "Hot news story: Watson reintroduces bill to hopefully eliminate CNOT!! Maybe this time its early enough in the session we'll see the demise of the CNO." This is why you had to say: "Well Hattie, where do you get the idea that I want to destroy anything Indian or Cherokee for that matter?" Still awaiting an answer regarding Section 73 of the 1902 Act...
23608497Thursday, Jun 11 at 3:53 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Dang Turner, yes Smith only had one vote, but he is the one that did it all, it began the Next day after the court ruling www.cornsilks.com/allendecision.html on the Freedmen being Cherokee See his letter here: http://www.cornsilks.com/chadwordsdayafter.html Then Turner to see the asininity of your babble, read the Watson Bill it does not erase Indians only the federal funds Smith uses to practice Racism against Cherokee People: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-2761
23605814Thursday, Jun 11 at 3:39 PM anonymous wrote ...
John Cornsilk has made the strangest comment. It was pointed out that The Act of July 1, 1902, Sec. 73 specifically says, “no Act of Congress OR TREATY PROVISION inconsistent with this agreement shall be in force,” In response, Cornsilk called that specific congressional language "BS about certain acts abrogating, only Congress can do that." Well, who in the heck passed that congressional act if not Congress? Specifically, Mr. Cornsilk, What was the effect of Sect. 73 of the 1902 Act?
23604887Thursday, Jun 11 at 3:32 PM To Anonymous wrote ...
That point is addressed in the article above.
23604382Thursday, Jun 11 at 3:28 PM Anonymous wrote ...
"Cherokee Agreement, Roll of Citizenship, July 1, 1902 SEC. 26. The names of all persons living on the first day of September, nine teen hundred and two, entitled to be enrolled as provided in section twenty-five hereof, shall be placed upon the roll …and no child born thereafter to a citizen, and no white person who has intermarried with a Cherokee citizen since the sixteenth day of December, eighteen hundred and ninety-five, shall be entitled to enrollment" 1902 meant Indians as well
23604002Thursday, Jun 11 at 3:28 PM Ray wrote ...
John Cornsilk – “Regarding all this BS about certain acts abrogating, ONLY Congress can do that!!” That is exactly what Congress did in 1902. Done.
23603984Thursday, Jun 11 at 3:22 PM Hattie wrote ...
Well John Cornsilk, as Turner said, you weren’t elected, which would indicate that you did not have the confidence of the Cherokee people. This article and this blog are about Indian nations and their right to determine their identity and the citizens of their own nation. You speak only for yourself and your friends in Congress. I guess your connections with the U.S. government mean a lot to you and that in itself speaks louder than all the blame and denial you have spread in your 16 posts.
23603494Thursday, Jun 11 at 3:02 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Continued: it all as well, that is one of the reasons she is so adamant about setting the record straight on the law that says the Freedmen are Cherokee, she points it out quite well, and Barney Frank pointed out it stands to because all this BS about certain acts abrogating, ONLY Congress can do that!!
23601902Thursday, Jun 11 at 2:54 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Hattie, where do you get the idea that I want to destroy anything Indian or Cherokee for that matter? ONLY a scurge on the backs of my Cherokee People. My Desire is to see the Congress of the U.S. do their fiduciary duty to the Cherokee People, something we are unable to do anything about due to the total control of the dictator Smith, he controls the Election Commission, the Majority on the Council, and both Courts of CNOT! This can all be documented at Cornsilks.com, and Watson has
23601292Thursday, Jun 11 at 2:41 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Dang Ray, are you actually that dang dumb! Are you and Indian, I seriously doubt it, mostly likely a stupid redneck, with maybe a thin strain of indigenous linage of some sort, but most likely just as all the white CNOT-SUCKERS (Supporters of CNO Corruption) BTW, CNOT is the acronym Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, with TRAITORS added for the acts of Smith against a class of Cherokee people, the Freedmen! And the law is the 1866 Cherokee Treaty with the U.S.!
23600277Thursday, Jun 11 at 2:24 PM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
DISTINCT PEOPLES in the political sense, not DISTINCT PEOPLES in the racial sense. There is no human rights instrument that provides for a DISTINCT racial right of any sovereign, be they PEOPLES as collectives or STATES as centralized governments. The seven Cherokee clans are testament to Cherokee pluralism as was Chief John Ross and African descent slaves made legal by Cherokee legislation. DISTINCTness based on race values from the 19th century Dawes Rolls fails the test of racial pluralism.
23598969Thursday, Jun 11 at 1:43 PM Turner wrote ...
The Cornsilks tried to get into office before in the Cherokee Nation and no one would vote for them. Most people just ignore them.
23596169Thursday, Jun 11 at 11:17 AM Hattie wrote ...
John Cornsilk – why are you so intent to destroy the duly elected government of an Indian nation along with the nation itself? If you don’t like things as they are, run for office. Work for constructive change. Speak with respect, dignity and truth. If the citizens of the Cherokee nation think your views represent their views, you will be elected. If not, you won’t.
23586497Thursday, Jun 11 at 11:11 AM Ray wrote ...
The non-Indian descendants of the freedmen may be distinct individuals, but they are not collectively a distinct ‘Indigenous people’. They were not occupants of this continent prior to colonization, with their own land base, language, culture, government, etc. What law exactly are you referring to as being violated?
23586069Thursday, Jun 11 at 10:52 AM Turner wrote ...
Those trying to distract from the truth forget that Chad Smith only had one vote in the election to amend the CN constitution. They don't understand that if they succeed in designating everyone as Indian, then no one will be Indian. Diane Watson is trying to erase Indians from this earth, something whites have been trying to do for centuries. Whites didn't succeed, neither will she.
23584659Thursday, Jun 11 at 10:13 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Hey NDNlady, lets talk about Watson's Bill to wipe out the Smith Junta, CNOT, can't be soon enough for the Cherokee People, so they can begin to fix the damage by CNOT!! BTW, aren't the Cherokee Freedmen descendants a DISTINCT PEOPLE of their Cherokee or any one of the other 5 tribes cultural values or ethnic identities, me thinks yes: Therefore Smith violates the law! Did Smith direct you babblers to keep your mouth shut on the topic?
23582137Thursday, Jun 11 at 10:09 AM Ray wrote ...
It is easy to claim that nothing has changed the Treaty of 1866 since 1866. It is harder to prove that something has changed it. However, there are at least two documents proving just that. The Act of July 1, 1902 states: Sec. 73, “no Act of Congress OR TREATY PROVISION inconsistent with this agreement shall be in force.” That’s it. Provision of 1866 Treaty is inconsistent with Act of 1902 regarding citizenship. No more entitlements to enrollment. Done. Over a hundred years ago.
23581809Thursday, Jun 11 at 7:53 AM NDNLady wrote ...
From the Declaration: Affirming also that all PEOPLES contribute to the diversity and richness of civilizations and cultures… Indigenous PEOPLES have the COLLECTIVE RIGHT to live in freedom, peace and security as DISTINCT PEOPLES… States shall provide effective mechanisms for prevention of (a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of their integrity as DISTINCT PEOPLES or of their cultural values or ethnic identities; (d) Any form of forced assimilation or integration.
23573164Thursday, Jun 11 at 6:41 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Two feathers babbled!! stoopidly just as the author of the article, If, If, Barney Frank is correct, in attempt of coloring a group of wannabees the Southern Cherokee (Which One there are a half a dz at least)as legit! Frank said “These [1866] treaties remain in full force and effect” and “Neither this Act [the Five Civilized Tribes Act of 1906], nor any other Act of Congress, modified or abrogated the Treaties of 1866.” This is an absolute fact!!
23570089Thursday, Jun 11 at 6:23 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Osiyo jo-la, very well said, spoken like a true Cherokee! Folks if you doubt the words by jo-la read my history lesson on the freedmen at: http://jcornsilk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/05/09/2796349-history-of-the-cherokee-freedmen Congresswoman Watson reintroduced the bill to hopefully eliminate the dictatorship of Smith know as CNOT to see the bill go to http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-2761 she gets into the facts of historical Treaty law and Smith’s violation of sam
23569579Thursday, Jun 11 at 2:08 AM Two Feathers wrote ...
Barney Frank is correct. Kapplers Laws 1866 Treaty. The so-called Southern Cherokees are also protected. The US is responsible for the centuries of injustice, and the CNO does not speak for the whole of the Old Cherokee Nation of Indians. Unjust Act-Dawes Act. A scar of shame that the US will wear until justice is served. Shame Shame Shame on the US and the CNO. How many decades have gone by? May the 1866 Treaty free the freedman so that honor may be given to the US and CNO!
23566247Wednesday, Jun 10 at 10:45 PM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
NDNLADY, Tribal nations, as you call them, exist as sovereign nations unto themselves. They do not exist to contribute ethnic diversity to the U.S., that role is filled by hyphenated Americans. Though not a member state, the Cherokee Nation would be encouraged to recognize and preserve it's own pluralism as a sovereign unto itself. Defending the right of an ethnic minority in a sovereign nation to retain their citizenship is not forced assimilation, it is a human right to a nationality.
23562167Wednesday, Jun 10 at 9:51 PM jo-la wrote ...
Osiyo, I am a fullblood Cherokee. When I was growing up we knew the Freedmen were cherokees to. most of them knew how to speak cherokee, and we would sit and visit. Nowadays everyone wants to be cherokee, and now all these whotes signed up for car tags, housing and IHS. The way I see it these white people just got mad because they dont want to share with the black people. This is no the cherokee way, and they should be ashamed. Our way is the white path which includes all colors of men.
23559899Wednesday, Jun 10 at 8:43 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Hang on Anoyingmous, you saw the posting on the new Congresswoman Watson’s bill, Congress is about to show you what I mean, this should light a fire under AG Holder and get the investigation going this will enhance the prospect of it being passed, because if they are thorough they will find what Smith and his little dictator ship is all about, and there should be no qualms about cutting funding for a 3rd world dictatorship in the middle of America!
23557092Wednesday, Jun 10 at 8:13 PM NDNLady wrote ...
Mr. Lee, multiculturalism is precisely the reason member-states are expected to protect indigenous peoples' right to exist as a "distinct people" because each unique tribal nation contributes to the diversity of a member-state. Dr. Diene knows this, ergo his remarks concerning the need for constant vigilance to protect indigenous rights. Including the right to determine our own identity. Forced assimilation and forced integration of an Indian tribe are violations of the UNDRIP.
23555772Wednesday, Jun 10 at 7:58 PM War Woman wrote ...
Thank you for a well-researched and insightful article! It is refreshing to hear someone speak with an intelligent voice about this incredibly complex topic. Your points make sense and are easily understood, something I can't say for some of the people who are bashing you with such hateful remarks. They cannot speak to facts, only attack others. They talk in circles and spin words with smoke and mirrors. I hope you will continue with your excellent articles. Wado.
23555217Wednesday, Jun 10 at 7:28 PM anonymous wrote ...
My bad, for not being properly attentive to the name Dave Cornsilk. As for your amazing comment, it just goes to show that a colonized mind is terrible thing to waste on posting comments. Why do you hold up the idea that "we are a Conquered People" as if it were something you agree with? That is a truly sad statement on your part. If you believe that colonized sentiment, then for you I suppose it is true (in your mind. Why wouldn't you spend some time contesting the conquered natiion idea?
23554002Wednesday, Jun 10 at 3:52 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Anoyingmouse! If you will reread you will see these are the words of my Son David! And if you had a smidgeon of knowledge of what sovereignty is and means you would not blather this ignert BS! Justice Marshall of the supreme Court of the U.S. in 1831 made it plain, the Cherokee Nation is a Dependant Sovereign. The thing you need to comprehend is we are a Conquered People and as a nation exist at the whim of the U.S. Congress and they may be about to show you this!
23543757Wednesday, Jun 10 at 3:49 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
If you will reread you will see these are the words of my Son David! And if you had a smidgeon of knowledge of what sovereignty is and means you would not blather this ignert BS! Justice Marshall of the supreme Court of the U.S. in 1831 made it plain, the Cherokee Nation is a Dependant Sovereign. The thing you need to comprehend is we are a Conquered People and as a nation exist at the whim of the U.S. Congress and they may be about to show you this!
23543492Wednesday, Jun 10 at 3:45 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Anoyingmouse, If you will reread you will see these are the words of my Son David! And if you had a smidgeon of knowledge of what sovereignty is and means you would not blather this ignert CRUD! Justice Marshall of the supreme Court of the U.S. in 1831 made it plain, the Cherokee Nation is a Dependant Sovereign. The thing you need to comprehend is we are a Conquered People and as a nation exist at the benevolence of the U.S., and the Congress may be about to show you this!
23543304Wednesday, Jun 10 at 3:28 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Hot news story: Watson reintroduces bill to hopefully eliminate CNOT!! Maybe this time its early enough in the session we'll see the demise of the CNO...And the Cherokee People can set about to repair the damage by CNO. to see the bill click link http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h111-2761 its about the same as the old! Hopefully the Weezle Smith is sweatin a little blood! I know he already spinnin the lies and BS on http://www.cherokeephoenix.org/3744/Article.aspx
23542067Wednesday, Jun 10 at 3:24 PM kurux wrote ...
Exscuse me, the Cherokee Nation signed a treaty withtthe conferderate states, which SEVERed their relationship with the Union. After the War, the Nation signed the 1866 treaty to re-establish that relationship. Happy now anon? And what jasper says about the freedmen getting better reparations is mott. as you stated the CN was not a state and the Freedmen were not US citizens. What they got from CN is what Cherokee CITIZENS got, because they were, and still are CITIZENS of the CHerokee NAtion
23541702Wednesday, Jun 10 at 12:55 PM Hattie wrote ...
The great mystery is the number of Cherokee men and women who saw to it that the Cherokee people continue to exist as a distinct people today. Their land was taken and cut into pieces, their government was made dysfunctional, and their children were forced to go to assimilation schools. All of this was for the ‘good of the Indian’ according to the ‘well-intentioned’ non-Indians. Today’s attacks are no different.
23530739Wednesday, Jun 10 at 12:17 PM anonymous wrote ...
Kurux makes an odd statement when speaking of the Cherokee nation getting "back into the union." The Cherokee nation was never part of the Union to begin with. The Union is comprised of the original 13 states and those states that were later admitted into the Union. It is senseless to talk of the CN as having seceded from the Union because the cherokee nation never acceded to become part of the union, and was never admitted into the Union.
23527674Wednesday, Jun 10 at 12:06 PM anonymous wrote ...
John Cornsilk says "Sovereignty for indigenous governments is only that which Congress has left intact or delegated to them." Is John taking the viewpoint of the u.s. govt.? If Indian nationhood sovereignty is truly inherent, then it is not delegated. Inherent means "permanent existence as an atribute."
23526804Wednesday, Jun 10 at 11:08 AM kurux wrote ...
IM not distorting the facts. Most fullbloods in the Cherokee Nation were against slavery, and were pro union. However, the thuinblood white elite ruling class in the tribe (which seems to be true today) were the slave holders, and against the blacks. The tribe 'Officially' signed on with the Confederates, and so 'officially' to get back in the union, they signed the 1866 treaty. And for all the comraderie 140 yrs ago, you creeks sure kicked out the freedmen quick.
23522142Wednesday, Jun 10 at 10:50 AM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
Doudou Diène, U.N. Special Rapporteur was also to have said to “The Association of American Cultures” in 2007 “…Pluralism is a value that projects the idea of diversity and multiculturalism. As a society, we must move toward pluralism to combat racism. Racism comes from the politicisation of bigotry and hate. By politicising it, it becomes acceptable to a society…” Said politicisation resulting in a Cherokee constitutional amendment to remove an ethnic population from a sovereign nation!
23520747Wednesday, Jun 10 at 9:40 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Dang escaswv cvpko if you know Creek history then stick with that with your babbling, ole kurux statememn on the history of the Cherokee and Freedmen can be checked, I have a lesson on the Cherokee Freedmen Here:http://jcornsilk.newsvine.com/_news/2009/05/09/2796349-history-of-the-cherokee-freedmen
23515547Wednesday, Jun 10 at 9:25 AM escaswv cvpko wrote ...
(cont'd) command against militia from Texas and Arkansas, or how they won the first two battles but expended their ammunition, or how their camp was overrun in the third battle with over 3,000 lives lost while the women were picking up their cast iron skillets to swing them at southern horses and soldiers, or how another thousand died escaping north, how another thousand died in federal 'protection', or how they formed black and indian regiments to fight the south? c'mon. read up if you don't.
23514342Wednesday, Jun 10 at 9:20 AM escaswv cvpko wrote ...
@ kurux <-----> don't lie about the history of the civil war in the indian territory. that war tore the Muscogee and Cherokee nations and peoples to shreds. yes, parts of those nations signed southern treaties, but the tribes were as divided as the states. i'm no expert on the Cherokee, but 5,000 Muscogee fled to the Red River but 10,000 tried to make it to Kansas. don't you know about the three battles outside Tulsa where Muscogee and blacks fought shoulder-to-shoulder under a unified
23513987Wednesday, Jun 10 at 6:10 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
No Katie it is not an excellent Article it is fraught with lies an pure equine excrement fed Jasper by Smith...It is not to be an investigation on who can be an Indian it is to be an investigation into blatant Racism, violation of Law, and hopefully into the dictatorship Smith has set up...The law, (Treaty 1866) reads the Freedmen are Cherokee citizens same as any Cherokee. No Blood Requirement, that is the law today!
23504134Wednesday, Jun 10 at 6:05 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
No Katie it is not an excellent Article it is fraught with lies an pure equine excrement fed Jasper by Smith...It is not to be an investigation on who can be an Indian it is to be an investigation into blatant Racism, violation of Law, and hopefully into the dictatorship Smith has set up...The law, (Treaty 1866) reads the Freedmen are Cherokee citizens same as any Cherokee... Blood be ****ed, and that is the law today plain and simple!
23503999Wednesday, Jun 10 at 6:02 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Doesn't matter NDNlady what the Cherokee attempted as a Nation, the law was broken when they signed with the South, and as kurux said, they were just a group of people on the loosing side of a war like the southern states. Actually Jasper doesn't have a clue she is simply regurgitating the equine excrement smith feeds her...At the benevolence of the victor in the war the Cherokee were treated as a Nation with the negotiations of the 1866 treaty.
23503942Wednesday, Jun 10 at 5:47 AM John Cornsilk wrote ...
No Katie it is not an excellent Article it is fraught with lies an pure equine excrement fed Jasper by Smith...It is not to be an investigation on who can be an indian it is to be an investigation into blatant Racism, violation of Law, and hopefully into the dictatorship Smith has set up...The law, (Treaty 1866) reads the Freedmen are Cherokee citizens same as any Cherokee... Blood be ****ed, and that is the law today plain and simple! John Cornsilk Real Cherokee CNO member UKB too!
23503674Wednesday, Jun 10 at 5:07 AM Chad 2wife Smith wrote ...
Just like Chad said in the Casino every Cherokee should own A Freedman. It's not about Voting or that the Freedmen walked the Trail of Tears. It is not about the former Council Member Stick Ross. It is about our Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma founded in 1975 By Ross Swimmer as A Service Origination. Now we are A Swimmer Nation for Oklahoma? Black Cherokees the Freedmen as Chad said should be happy they got 40 acres and A Mule?
23503049Wednesday, Jun 10 at 1:47 AM Allen L. Lee wrote ...
Unfortunately, Susan Jasper and NDNLady ignore the human rights concerns of Internally Displaced Persons: Guiding Principles on Internal Displacement …Principle 6 …1. Every human being shall have the right to be protected against being arbitrarily displaced... 2. The prohibition of arbitrary displacement includes displacement: (a) When it is based on policies of apartheid, "ethnic cleansing" ...or ... altering the ethnic, religious or racial composition of the affected population..."
23500739Tuesday, Jun 9 at 10:32 PM NDNLady wrote ...
The Cherokee Nation repudiated its treaty with the South within a year and reestablished formal relations with the Union in 1862. 70% of the Cherokee men fought for the Union. Treaty obligations regarding citizenship were abrogated by the US by not one but two acts of Congress over a hundred years ago. These constant distortions mask the real truth. As Ms Jasper's article makes clear, interference in an indigenous people's right to determine their citizenship is a human rights violation.
23496092Tuesday, Jun 9 at 9:24 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
No Katie it is not an excellent Article it is fraught with lies an pure equine excrement fed Jasper by Smith...It is not to be an investigation on who can be an indian it is to be an investigation into blatant Racism, violation of Law, and hopefully into the dictatorship Smith has set up...The law, (Treaty 1866) reads the Freedmen are Cherokee citizens same as any Cherokee... Blood be ****ed, and that is the law today plain and simple! John Cornsilk Real Cherokee CNO member UKB too!
23492964Tuesday, Jun 9 at 8:06 PM kurux wrote ...
I applaud the 6 congress people for fighting for treaty rights, and rights of indian people. it is a shame that the CNO spends $10 million fighting their own citizens, some of who DO have Cherokee blood. Chief Smith cemented himself as a raicst in a 2006 interview with Jenny Monet where he exclaimed "This is about how our tribe will LOOK in a hundred years". this interview was uncensored, and was well before the millions spent in PR spini, which i am sure jasper got a piece of.
23489382Tuesday, Jun 9 at 7:34 PM katie wrote ...
Excellent article Suzanne. I am surprised by these members of Congress who have not only failed to do their homework on this issue but who would want to spend an outrageous amount of taxpayer dollars to investigate why non- Indians are not allowed to be citizens of an Indian tribe.
23487907Tuesday, Jun 9 at 6:55 PM Kurux wrote ...
the inherrent sovereignty was treated away in regard to Freedmen in the 1866 treaty. as the opinion piece states, it was ratified on both sides, so the Cherokee NAtiontreted this away and was aware of it. OIWA would have repealed the whittling away of the 1866 treaty, BUT you had to re-organize under it, and the CNO did NOT. Therefore they are exposed to the full brunt of all the restrictive acts that came since. The black person who cannot enroll attends the Freedmn meetings.
23486099Tuesday, Jun 9 at 6:51 PM kurux wrote ...
the 5 tribes sided and fought with the confederates in the civil war, hence they seceeded from the US. The 1866 treaty was their way back into federal recognition. BIA and IHS have treated freedmen as indisn in the past and provided services. Principal CHief Ross swimmer wrote a letter in the 80's telling them to treat them as if they were fullbloods.
23485922Tuesday, Jun 9 at 5:26 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
The NDNlady comes on and accuses people of lying with a fabricated line of pure BS by Smith: Folks to know the facts of the matter simply read this Article http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_david_co_080409_what_is_the_cno_3f.htm by David Cornsilk, then for corroboration by documentation for all that he says simply go to http://www.cornsilks.com/cherokeedocs.html then you will know what these supporters are all about!
23481647Tuesday, Jun 9 at 4:58 PM NDNLady wrote ...
There are several untruths posted here about both the Cherokee Treaty of 1866 and the OIWA. The treaty did NOT grant "federal recognition" nor did it reestablish our government to government relationship with the US. That is simply not true. The inherent sovereignty of the Cherokee Nation is in NO WAY affected by the decision not to reorganize under the OIWA. And the claim that someone with a documentable Cherokee ancestor has been denied citizenship based on skin color is a despicable lie.
23480052Tuesday, Jun 9 at 4:47 PM john Cornsilk wrote ...
Part two: And then folks if you have a true interest as to the asininity of this article and the letter by the two you only need to read Congresswoman Watsons bill HR 2824 it gets into the facts of the law involved and Smith is violating. se it here:http://www.cornsilks.com/watson.pdf
23479392Tuesday, Jun 9 at 4:46 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
Well Folks, kurux is too kind, this opinion reeks of Smith's BS that he feeds to supporters that push his agenda. This Article is more asinine than this letter to AG Holder by Rep's Boren and Cole, see the letter herehttp://www.cornsilks.com/holderletterb&c.pdf
23479282Tuesday, Jun 9 at 4:40 PM Anonymous wrote ...
And Finally David Cornsilks said part four: If they gave it away and Congress has not given it back, then it doesn't exist and cannot be jeopardized. And Folks this is a simple profound Statement that Congress is well aware of and what this whole thing ins all about!
23478864Tuesday, Jun 9 at 4:36 PM Anonymous wrote ...
David Cornsilks said part three: They will have to explain how the Treaty of 1866, which granted federal recognition to the Five Tribes, could now be invalid without also invalidating their federal status. Sovereignty for indigenous governments is only that which Congress has left intact or delegated to them. You cannot jeopardize that which does not exist. The Five Tribes treated away their right to regulate the citizenship of Freedmen.
23478617Tuesday, Jun 9 at 4:33 PM escaswv cvpko wrote ...
(cont'd) which roll you were on (freedmen first), then by degree of blood (lesser quantums first). BIA and IHS never recognized freedmen descendants as "indian" under federal laws for services. yes, this is a mess. no, there are no simple answers. but the article has merit and begins to look at the complexity of this history.
23478462Tuesday, Jun 9 at 4:32 PM Anonymous wrote ...
David Cornsilks said Part two: The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma would have to explain how it could exclude citizens entitled to "popularly select" the principal officer of the tribe in accordance with the 1970 Principal Chiefs Act. And finally, the Chickasaw Nation will have to explain how it adopted its freedmen in the 1880s, then summarily unadopted them a year later.
23478394Tuesday, Jun 9 at 4:30 PM escaswv cvpko wrote ...
you're right ... the OIWA has a repealer clause (is it section 9?) and its legislative history with the IRA specifically includes tribal definition of citizenship. what's important is that it was federal policy that segregated these people, not the tribes. the Dawes commission determined "which roll", based on its own prejudices, and effectively erased the legacy of many people who were "by-blood" but also part african by labeling them as freedmen. congress based removal of restrictions on
23478214Tuesday, Jun 9 at 4:28 PM John Cornsilk wrote ...
David Cornsilk said: Part One: Those who are opposed to the Freedmen hide their dirty deeds and racism behind sovereignty. There would be NO threat to sovereignty with an investigation. The Creek and Choctaw Nation would be required to explain how they expelled their freedmen in 1979 and 1983 respectively. The Seminole Nation would have to explain how they can have citizens who are treated second class, ineligible for the same federal and tribal benefits as all other citizens.
23478119Tuesday, Jun 9 at 2:46 PM kurux wrote ...
CNO's failure to reorganize under OIWA is what directly exposes it to the 1866 treaty: it IS what their sovereignty is based on, I dont see how they can rationally get around it. We can select our membership, but we cant just unilaterally kick out all the blacks. WHat about the Freedmen with Cherokee Blood? they are never mentioned, but were kicked out too. Right now there are blacks with Cherokee Blood who are not freedmen, who still cannot get enrolled based solely on the color of their skin
23470822Tuesday, Jun 9 at 2:23 PM Kurux wrote ...
This 'opinion' is so disgustingly wrong, that I dont know where to begin. First of all, COngress asked for an investigation, and through it, they would relize that all Treaties were different. Chickasaw did not include Freedmen in theirs for example. There is a law called OIWA-IRA which was specifically passed so the OK tribes could get past all of these other acts and restrictions and reestablish their relationship with the US. The Cherokee and Seminole did not, the treaty affects them most
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