Gale Courey Toensing Indian Country Today This photo of Dheisheh refugee camp, which Mark Tilsen visited last summer, was taken a few years ago, but conditions in the camp are unchanged. Oglala Lakota traveler sees ‘deep parallels’ in Palestine
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Gale Courey Toensing
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The United Nations Human Rights Council appointed Richard Goldstone, former judge of the Constitutional Court of South Africa and former prosecutor of the International Criminal Tribunals for the former Yugoslavia and Rwanda, to conduct an investigation of the Israeli offensive.
The Goldstone Report, released last September, found strong evidence of Israeli war crimes and crimes against humanity committed and called for holding Israel accountable before a court of international law. Conditions in Gaza one year after the invasion are still grim.
That report and the media attention it generated moved the terms of international solidarity with Palestine to a new level and gave impetus to solidarity events such as the Gaza Freedom March.
The march was to be Tilsen’s second trip to Palestine in a year. Last summer, he and Jewish family members from his father’s side, travelled to the West Bank with Birthright Unplugged, a nonprofit organization that takes delegations to the occupied West Bank.
“There’s an Israeli group called Birthright that takes Jews from across the world and shows them the most beautiful parts of Israel and what it means to be Jewish, and basically teaches them to fall in love with Israel, and it pays for their trips,” Tilsen said. “They feed you their indoctrination, but what we wanted was the other side – we wanted to see things from the Palestinian perspective.”
Tilsen’s 82-year-old grandfather, two aunts, two uncles and two cousins traveled around the West Bank for three weeks staying with Palestinian families, including a visit to Dheisheh refugee camp in Bethlehem.
The visit was an eye – and heart – opener, Tilsen said.
“I’ve always been very interested in the Palestinian struggle and now I can actually see a lot more of the deep parallels between reservation life and refugee camp life.”
Oddly, at Dheisheh, Tilsen ran into a cousin who was with a delegation of Native youth.
“It was totally surreal. It was, like, we need to have this conversation at Wounded Knee; we didn’t need to travel all the way here.”
During a discussion about Palestine, a Palestinian youth at Dheisheh brought up the subject of colonization.
“I said the Lakota have been in this colonization game for more than 100 years longer than Palestinians, and we talked about the warning signs: Watch out when your leaders become co-opted by people who are your enemies, watch out when your religion becomes outlawed, take notice when your language is disappearing, and when your children are being educated by your enemies and taught to hate themselves – that’s one of the last stages of colonization,” Tilsen said.
He had an intellectual understanding of colonization before traveling to Palestine, “but it wasn’t deep. It was while I was there that I really understood emotionally and in my heart the deep parallels between the American Indian experience of Western expansion and the experience of becoming an alien in your own homeland, which basically has happened to the Palestinians.”
But he unintentionally provoked a controversy among the Native students during the discussion.
“I said to the Palestinian youth, ‘I think Palestinians are better off because your spirit is not conquered.’ That really upset a lot of the Native people. I think Lakota and Natives in general don’t like to admit we lost the wars. We lost militarily. We were defeated, and for many years we were a broken people and now in the past few generations, the strengths and embers that were preserved are starting to come back to life.”
The Palestinians were surprised by his remarks.
“They wanted to know what I meant. I told them about the poverty, the high unemployment, the alcoholism and the incredible number of suicides. Some of our people have given up the fight of what it means to be Lakota, what it means to be free, and I said I don’t see that here in Palestine.”
Tilsen traveled to Egypt last month with his uncle, David Tilsen. They spent almost two weeks there, and while only 80 of the 1,400 Gaza Freedom Marchers were ultimately allowed to enter Gaza after days of demonstrations, protests, and sometimes violent encounters with Egypt’s security forces, the trip was well worthwhile, Tilsen said.
“Oglala means ‘those who scatter their own.’ We send our people all across the world. To the people of Gaza, we say we tried to get to you, we did what we could, but we’re sorry it was not good enough. But this is as much a war of awareness as it is a war, and the more people that are aware of what’s going on in Palestine, the better chance there is to resolve the conflict.”
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Wednesday, Feb 17 at 1:14 PM Ate Tanka wrote ...
Tilsen makes a mistake by stating take notice when your enemy is teaching your children to hate themselves and a few paragraphs later says we lost "militarily". That is what our "enemy" has taught us. A majority of tribes were eradicated due to disease and starvation, not warfare. There were a majority of tribes who never signed a treaty nor surrendered and amongst the tribes that did sign treaties, there were a majority of their members that never surrendered or signed either. We lost our spirit because we continue to believe what we are taught by our "enemy".
37753466Wednesday, Feb 17 at 1:11 PM Anonymous wrote ...
Tilsen makes a mistake by stating take notice when your enemy is teaching your children to hate themselves and a few paragraphs later says we lost "militarily". That is what our "enemy" has taught us. A majority of tribes were eradicated due to disease and starvation, not warfare. There were a majority of tribes who never signed a treaty nor surrendered and amongst the tribes that did sign treaties, there were a majority of their members that never surrendered or signed either.
37753198Wednesday, Feb 17 at 1:05 PM ate tanka wrote ...
Tilsen makes the mistake of stating that to take notice when your enemy is teaching your children to hate themselves and a few paragraphs later states that we lost "militarily". That's what our "enemy" has taught us. A majority of tribes lost due to disease and starvation not warfare. And there are many tribes who never surrendered and majority of members within a tribe that never surrendered or signed a treaty.
37752626Monday, Feb 15 at 9:25 AM Anonymous wrote ...
BY THE RESPONSE TO THIS ARTICLE A AMOUNT OF IGNORANCE EXISTS.THE WEALTHY OIL PRODUCERS MANIPULATE THE UN AND DECISION MAKING WORLD TO SUIT THEIR GEO POLITICAL CAPITAL INTERESTS.PALESTINE OR PHILISTINE,BOTH ARE CORRECT USAGS FOR EXPLOITIVE INTERESTS,FOR THE ARAB WEALTHY DOMINANCE IN THE MIDDLE EASTERN SCENARIOS.SHOWING THE WORLD HOW THEY EXTEND THEIR INTERESTS BY THROUGH A SUPPORT INTEREST IN AMERICA AND OFFERING THROUGH A MANILATIVE EXTENTION TO INDIAN TRIBES OF WHAT THEY THE ARABS CALL AMERICA.AND USING THE INDIGENOUS LABEL FOR TRIBES TO GAIN PUBLICTY AND SUPPORT FOR THEIR INTERESTS.USING THE CREATIVE INTERESTS TO MANIPULATE THE WORLD OPINION TO THEIR BEST ADVANTAGE.AND THE ARAB ARE BEHIND THIS QUEST AT THE EXPENCE OF OTHERS.THEY THE ARABS CARE LITTLE ABOUT THE HISTORY OF THAT REGION,OR ACCORDING TO THE INDIGENOUS ARTICLE PAST AT THE UN.SINCE THE PALESTINIAN IS OF ARAB EX EXTRACTIONS AND NOT OF THAT AREA.OR REGION,BETTER RESEARCH YOUR NAME FOR THEM BEFORE COMMENTING.BEWARE DECEPTION
37614211Saturday, Feb 13 at 6:37 PM n8tive wrote ...
Many Palestinians look very indigenous. And some may be a "combination" and "blending of every others" but most are, by looks, indigenous. I swear, some could be mistaken for Native Americans. Ethnic cleansing of Palestine is as much America's crusade as Israel's. Historical fact is, Palestine dates back to about 3000 BC, and for 1500 years it was the land of the Canaanites. The Egyptians then occupied it until 1200 BC when the Philistines took it over. They in turn were followed by the Israelites.
37562684Saturday, Feb 13 at 1:37 AM Shadow wrote ...
The name "Palestina" was given to that strip of land on the eastern mediterranean by the Romans, who used it as a buffer state between their primary granary (Egypt) and a separate, competing empire further east (Parthia). The Palestinians are the combination of the peoples who the Romans brought in as a replacement subject people, and of the blending of every other invading force since then...including european crusaders, arabs from the peninsula, other eastern conquerors , and everybody who came through trading...doubtless, someone there has indigenous ancestry, but then so do Jews whose ancestors stayed in the area, as well as some who were taken away by the Romans...tough situation all around.
37536481Friday, Feb 12 at 12:38 PM Until Awda wrote ...
I've been there too. Here's the video you need to watch. http://tinyurl.com/yfg68wb
37495291Thursday, Feb 11 at 5:42 PM Laura wrote ...
I have been there. I just saw this video that really speaks volumes about the Israeli-Palestinian situation. http://www.aish.com/jw/me/83527317.html
37451774Thursday, Feb 11 at 2:23 PM native aye!! wrote ...
First of all, has anyone commenting for or against Tilsen's remarks ever been to Palestine? Secondly, Tilsen clearly states he is no activist, but if you were to approach native activists who have; you would discover they are in agreement as to the commonalities the indigenous people of that land share with natives in America. One other thing, the person/s who are on the translation of the word Oglala may in fact be correct, but I have seen many fluent speakers who have less integrity than a great many other so-called "colonized" natives. These "super indians" are perfectly willing to sell their culture for anything. The simple fact is we are all products of genocide/ethnocidal policy. Have a good day all.
37438146Thursday, Feb 11 at 10:46 AM optional wrote ...
Why would I be jealous of kinajin who was exposed as a faker and a liar. He can't even tell us what his own interpretation of Oglala means. If I were him I would be very embarrassed and too ashamed to ever come on these boards again.
37422866Wednesday, Feb 10 at 5:35 PM ANONYMOUS NDN wrote ...
The "optional" dude is jealous of Kinajin, his white entitlement is showing!!
37387674Wednesday, Feb 10 at 5:13 PM CurtJ wrote ...
What's the difference between Britain and America placing the jews in the middle of Palestine because no one wanted them, where the jews now have the indigenous inhabitants locked up behind barbed wire in concentration camps, while the jews are busy colonizing the Palestinian lands. And the Europeans and Americans invading our lands and commiting genocide against the Native Americans to extirpate them to steal our natural resources and lands for colonization?
37386209Wednesday, Feb 10 at 2:45 PM optional wrote ...
Kinajin- Unless you tell this forum what your interpretation of Oglala is I would think that you will be considered a liar and a faker. Tell us or stfu.
37375686Wednesday, Feb 10 at 11:03 AM kinajin wrote ...
Malakota, nisto? lila iniwasicu welo.
37358534Wednesday, Feb 10 at 12:21 AM tea wrote ...
If Oglala does not mean scatter one's own, then what does it mean. I will take Tilsens' word for it unless the detractors can offer a different interpretation. I think those say Oglala has a different meaning aren't even Oglala and couldn't speak the language if their lives depended on it.
37339518Tuesday, Feb 9 at 1:38 PM kinajin wrote ...
Any native who doesn't speak their native langauge is colonized. Oglala does not mean 'scatters their own'.
37288356Tuesday, Feb 9 at 10:10 AM Response to 'Keith' wrote ...
What daydreams this is with little or no political clout and bleeps on this society'e radar screen and add to that my disinterest in being sovereign with other tribes, why even think this way. I'm certainly not a fan of the status quo but even what NCAI does is a snoozer to me. An 'embassy' in DC -what an indian joke that is!
37272799Tuesday, Feb 9 at 6:13 AM Keith wrote ...
Someone remarked earlier that natives do not fight for independence today. From what I understand there is a movement in Hawaii to secede from The USA. I'm sure that Indian Territories could secede if they are patient enough... it may even take a couple generations but be patient, America is gradually changing and there is more people sympathetic to native concerns now than there was awhile ago. The fight is not over. You can fight through lobbying for laws to be passed that would recognize the total sovereignty of Indian nations. Fighting with words is important. The fight is not over.
37265516Monday, Feb 8 at 7:28 PM False Flag Op: 911 wrote ...
The bankster cartel perpetrated this disaster so they could infringe on civil liberties and then drum up a war on saddam-poor guy all he wanted to do was change the oil currency to the euro-he had enough oil to press this idea so they 'found' yellow cake in Africa and pinned it on iraq and though 15 of 19 patsies [bombers} were saudis bush attacks iraq and afghanistan..you see where it got saddam, same as JFK; lindbergh; all other enemies of fed reserve! Their propaganda tools: abc; nbc; cbs etc..can stir up a feeding frenzy and after they do a run on the bank-pay their workforce: wall St/bankers/Freddie Mae/Mac, etc..they again have their congressional puppets authorize printing more $$ out of thin air! Get the pt do you think this agenda really cares about Yisrael or that region sans oil reserves? Get a clue!
37243762Monday, Feb 8 at 7:12 PM CurtJ wrote ...
Colonialism. Thye centuries of invading weaker countries to steal their natural resources and lands, along with the enslavement, rape and murder of the Indigenous inhabitants. Theft and Murder. America has the best government that money can buy. And the government still refuses to acknowledge that their policies of Colonialism resjulted in the murder of 3,000 Americans on 9/11. Why does my computer always malfunction on this site. Only site on the internet too. maybe these so called Natives are bought off too Whe.
37243084Monday, Feb 8 at 6:59 PM TO: 'anonymous' wrote ...
I am not a conservative or republican and to put those words together is oxymoronic: Reps with cheney's homosexual daughter; 'log cabin Reps'[a group of homosexuals]..while consumer- protector e. spitzer was targeted for public rancor for 'vice crimes by the fed reserve/irs there was a homosexual prostitute who visited the bush whitehouse dozens of times by the Fed reserve's propaganda mechanisms were Ok with that! What is a 'troll?' This guy is way off about this but why? As a 4/4 Lakota I reject both Dems & Reps because they're tapped into the same sewer tank: the 'sacred cow' Fed Reserve and their irs henchmen! How about 'false oaths' does anyone other than cobell & tilsen know about them? Speak freely!
37242447Monday, Feb 8 at 6:04 PM anonymous wrote ...
As with every evil, follow the $$$$ trail. It's no wonder that the rest of the world hates us. We allow Israel to take over our government. Look into some bills passed trying to make it impossible for Native American’s to succeed. And guess who was behind the lobbying on those?
37239022Monday, Feb 8 at 4:58 PM Anonymous wrote ...
I GUESS IF ONE WAS TO LOOK AT BOTH ,AND THE VERBAL LABELS ATTACHED TO THEM,SUCH AS ISRAEL,WHICH IS A NAME OF A TRIBEFROM THAT REGION.THE WORD PALASTINE THOUGH COMES FROM A BRITISH LABEL FOR PHILISTINE,WHICH IS A MIXED INTERPRETATION,FROM THE CANANITES,AND GREEK.THE AREA WAS ALSO UNDER ROMAN RULE DEVIDED INTO ARAB WHICH WAS THE LOWER PORTION OR AREA TO THE SOUTH,KNOWN AS THE NEGEV REGION.IT WAS CALLED THAT BY THE ROMANS ,THE CARAVAN ROUTE PASSED THROUGH THERE,DELIVERING A FORM OF PERFUMES AND OTHER ITEMS FROM WHAT IS CALLED ARABIA TODAY.THE ENTIRE REGION THERE WAS UNDER ROMAN RULE,WHO PUT AN BEDOIN ARAB CALLED HEROD AS THE GOVERNOR OF THAT REGION.ACCORDING TO THE RELIGOUS ANTHROPOLOGICAL COMMUNITY OF TODAY,WRITTEN ARTICLES ON THE SUIBJECT.ABOUT THE ENTIRE REGION.THE EGYPTIONS INSCRIBED ON A TOMB NEAR THE RED SEA,THAT THE ISRAELITES WERE THERE DATED A THOUSAND YEARS BE FORE THE CANANITES.THE PRESENT OCCUPANTS CAME FROM ARABIAN PENPENINSULA,NOT FROM THAT REGION ACCORDING TO HISTORY AND I
37234437Monday, Feb 8 at 4:32 PM Mark K Tilsen wrote ...
The one thing I'd like to correct in the article is I am not an Activist but it probably reads better than 'just some dude.' I don't feel like having a debate here but if you want to discuss this more I'm @TankaBar on twitter
37232547Monday, Feb 8 at 2:47 PM anonymous wrote ...
You know why Whack-A-Mole & Whack-A-Troll cannot stay down once they're whacked? Because right-wing groups are political MACHINES, so way too much energy is spent defending and re-defending indigenous peoples sovereignty when we're up against these robotical machine-types.
37224617Monday, Feb 8 at 2:42 PM "False Oaths" wrote ...
I am a Lakota tribal member and yes when you google 'false oaths' in islam, it is a common ploy which is completely sanctioned as a tool of war! Lakota [indian] country doesn't that sound familiar: 'lay down your arms and live in peace and we'll blah blah blah____ til the grass stops growing and the rivers stop run ning..' Which combative tribe didn't get shafted by that 'line?' Same thing in the arab world today: the CIA FOB getting bombed by an 'ally!', etc...indian agents who kept 'the good stuff' and gave the 'skins the rancid and diseased provisions, right? America's core-the diabolical Fed Reserve/irs/etc..-swears out false oaths and now we have the Great Black Father in washington as there latest puppet. Abe Lincoln was the last one with morals! US nows uses puppets like cobell to appear to care. They don't! Deal with it, Native America
37224202Monday, Feb 8 at 2:07 PM You Go Girl! wrote ...
I am on board with 'Laura' who has obviously struck a cord with the liberal 1-worlders out there! When Yisrael declared statehood in Nov 1947, guess what? The so-called palestenians could have,too! they are bound up by beliefs which no civilized society can indulge: believe like me or we'll blow ourselves up in your masses! Maybe not all of them think this way maybe not even their majority but the math is on their side..one bomb kills 100! Say Mexico started shooting katusha rockets into NM AZ TX CA you know there better be carpetbombing in response-well maybe not carpetbombing but an immediate militaristic response, right? I'm not even for a 'red nation' concept because there would be enemies in the Lakota camp-almost all other tribes that is! We can only look out for our own-this american thing will have it's long day too-they swore out 'false oaths' and HE will bring it into acctg just like the topic herein: the arab world!
37221659Monday, Feb 8 at 12:08 PM Laura wrote ...
Only one Laura here & that's me. I am native, and I only go by my name. Don't need to pose as anyone else. My post has nothing in common with Native NDN's. But I will say this as far as the mid-east is concerned: BOTH sides have to want peace. So far, any Palestinian that tries to reach out for peace gets murdered by their own people. Maybe I'm naive, but I believe many Palestinians would like to live in peace. However, they are ruled by murdering terrorists, who will just as soon kill their own children as they will their enemies. How can you have peace with people that only want to kill and destroy? That is my question.The motto of most of the Arab leaders in the region is "Drive Israel into the sea." I've never heard any such sentiment from the Israeli side. As Golda Meir said: "We can forgive you for killing our sons. But we will never forgive you for making us kill yours." Now that is a willingness to work towards peace. Sadly, I only see it coming from one side.
37212902Monday, Feb 8 at 9:57 AM a RESPONSE to "Native NDN" wrote ...
Responding to "Native NDN," you are a troll who is also posing as "Laura." To all the ICT readers: She's tied to a conservative anti-Indian group, and in this case includes the ADL. Isn't it too bad troll your pompous mischaracterization of facts cannot be sold in Indian country? Your chosen word "annihilate" as you applied it to Native American tribes against other N.A. tribes is ANOTHER right-wing spin you trolls specialize in. How much do they pay you? Must be well since I've heard your voice (similar comments) many times.
37204144Monday, Feb 8 at 2:48 AM Native NDN wrote ...
The historical plight of the Lakota leading to eventual perception of today's generation, is no different than other tribes of this nation. Take into account the degree of atrocity of each tribe and you will find many differences of human torment. One such "unforgivable" atrocity comes to mind, which is the total annihilation of every member within several tribes. Yet, through it all, most of us today gleefully embrace the modern lifestyle,this nation has to offer, without thought or care of this occurring. Before the white man existed in this part of the world, the tribes of this nation exercised its own right to annihilate other tribes. Similarly, the conflict in the Mideast has been ongoing as recorded in History. The names and faces have changed, but the human atrocities have remained, reoccurring time and time again. For any one of us to analyze and conclude logical reasoning to the Mideast, we have to first do the same for our existence and eventual healing.
37196007Monday, Feb 8 at 2:02 AM Kill the Zionist with You wrote ...
Looks like we got some Trolls spewing the same old imbecilic nonsense about Apartheid Israel again. @ Laura and Clint I suggest you Kill the Zionist within before you make public your obscene and utterly brain-dead comments about he history of Israel. looks like you have been drinking the kool-aid. Apartheid Israel which is a an ethnocratic racist state is a political and moral abomination and is a despicable and unexceptable example of 20/21 century settler colonial logics currently genociding the Palestinian people. Thats a fact.
37195172Monday, Feb 8 at 12:01 AM M- wrote ...
Hey John G..Wambli is not correct either...and you do not even have the correct spelling....
37191207Sunday, Feb 7 at 11:58 PM M- wrote ...
Oglala does not mean those who scatter their own...this guy is a phony.
37191084Sunday, Feb 7 at 5:33 PM anonymous native wrote ...
The Jewish Holocaust Remembrance Day and their Holocaust Museum on the National Mall is a very political move. Did it happen in this country? No. Did it happen on this continent? No. Therefore, it's a classic case of bigotry and imperialistic entitlement.
37178569Sunday, Feb 7 at 4:24 PM Tarbender wrote ...
NEVER...I mean NEVER!!! Mix polotics and faith!!! Unless your vision is truely blind to thye WHOLE picture";/
37175819Sunday, Feb 7 at 11:58 AM J wrote ...
As a Jew, I appreciate that the US does a lot for Holocaust education. However, as an American, I am upset that there is a Holocaust museum on the National Mall WITHOUT there being a museum on both the African slave trade and on the genocide of the Native Americans. I think that this may have to do with Israel, since Carter started the commission for the Holocaust museum in the midst of being attacked for the Oslo Accords. So, when will the US make these parallels in our educational system? Do we fear facing the truth?
37164344Sunday, Feb 7 at 11:26 AM Snoozer-Ville this is! wrote ...
I hold deep-seated views about my tribe in relation to the vast majority od tribes as well as for Yisrael and arab nations! Take a look objectively: it comes down to which baal [god] one serves! Proven clearly, is HWHY's might & faithfulness to Yisrael in '67 & '73 wars when they were attacked on all sides by a billion arabs AND WERE SUMMARILY DEFEATED! US worships $$ but its global standing dissipates because of its indulgences against the family w/ pro-choice/same-sex, etc..deviations. At the heart of US's diabolical agenda [the bankster cartel] is a 1-world govt with they {fed Reserve] in charge! I'll just do what I can on the back prairies of Lakota country to help ALL I can! Its a dead heat to the end so we must support Yisrael and reject UN's 1-world order brewing on the back burner really!
37162747Sunday, Feb 7 at 10:28 AM Wanbli wrote ...
Ajiibik are you threatening this journalist or any other writer that writes something you don't like?
37159922Sunday, Feb 7 at 8:35 AM John G. wrote ...
Wambli I agree, I think you are %100 right!
37156419Sunday, Feb 7 at 4:24 AM ajibik wrote ...
Maybe the Lakota Traveler should learn to Parallel Park first, then think about any other deeper parallels. I have spoken.
37153579Saturday, Feb 6 at 1:49 PM Anonymous wrote ...
[this is a very difficult comment page.to comment on] If in lieu of attention the jew received during ww2 over genicidal acts against them,they these interests in wealthy arab investments,said why not split the interests and combine the two seperate entities,under the mantle of a label of semitism.And i have said that haven`t the these occupants of tribal lands here did the same,haven`t they the foreign occupants over centuries used the media to portray the tribes as they have discrimantly,as they have been doing to cover up for their genicidal porportions over a period of centuries.
37125769Saturday, Feb 6 at 1:21 PM Anonymous wrote ...
w- you should study the history over there.and anthropology.before you state they are related.It is not true.They are two separate entities.The misinterpretation by a government and other interests,have propagandize on it for decades,because of a wealthy oil producing arab they media and their supporters said lets combine both entities over there and split concern for the jew under the mantle of sementism.no doubt there is truthno doubt.but haven`t the these fforeign occupants of tribal lands devide and conquer by splitting the sympany of one to anothe the outside elements for a century or two.interests,if they the world in need of fuel supported the arabs,in lieu genicidal acts committed during the ww2 period,if the jew received attention ,they
37124464Saturday, Feb 6 at 12:44 PM Tumbler wrote ...
Ndn people are mostly assimilated and they have the same type of lifestyle as white people. I say 99% of us are defeated because when was the last time you heard of an ndn nation fighting for independence from the United States? It was back in the 1800s was the last time. Ndn people want to be like the U.S and not seperated from them. I challenge each one of you who say we are not defeated to name a place where ndn people are still resisting and I will prove you wrong.
37122662Saturday, Feb 6 at 11:55 AM Chaska wrote ...
Actually, in their Histories, Jewish and Palestinians, goes back to where two brothers seperated....so actually all descendants are related....I do not believe the NDN nations were truly defeated ever, the tide turned to those who used Treaties, Lies and outright genocide to lay claim to this Sacred Land....
37120137Saturday, Feb 6 at 11:34 AM Wanbli wrote ...
Anonymous, your very wrong in your data! They both are Semitic nations who are our indigenous brothers and sisters that are being manipulated, exploited, and destroyed by our common enemies of empire and racist ideologies of corporate militarism. Ideological doctrines contrived by bunch of lying imperialist colonialist sympathizer who humanity has been stolen or given up freely for the so-called great americana dream. They are devils of white nationalist falsehoods; not truth. Historically through Spirit, Israel and Palestine are half-brothers and both as divine Indigenous Nationhood’s who are the children of the Most High Creator and the Bright and Morning Star! They are our extended lost red relatives and our lives are parallel in the sense we are being politically and economically exploited and exterminated through the traditions of white capitalist colonized imperialism which is the most racist and murderous “ideology” that has ever come out of hell and conceived by mortals.
37118659Saturday, Feb 6 at 9:55 AM Anonymous wrote ...
This is just another attempt at justifying the arab attempt at legitamizing illegalization of their occupation of the middle east,and their use of wealth through the production of oil,at the UN and elsewhere.The lakota should think of lakotas.stop being a foreign or outside interests,,it won`t help the lakotas,tribal nation unification and rebirth is needed.stop being lured into a outsider web of deceiption,and it probably is.look within yourself,your family,youtribe or you are or become a lost.
37114102Saturday, Feb 6 at 6:29 AM Yourface wrote ...
I don't care if it isn't their land ! No one deserves to be killed because, "The Jews took back their land that the Creator gave them 3200 years ago." Stated by Clint, "The palestinians are not indigenous and shouldnt be treated as such." From the looks of your writing, it's like you're emphasizing religion over an actual life. And doing so, you're using us Native Americans as a scapegoat for your selfishness. First of all, today, we're not out killing people to get our point across. We are rather more respectful to our enemies than the Jews are to children. Don't get me wrong... They've been through a lot in history. They should know how it feels when other people killed their grandparents' and their people... Women & Children inc. So why would they go and kill some harmless people? - This is to the people who are saying they're terrorist... The US has prison inmates that are considered terrorist. Are we a terrorist country?
37109657Saturday, Feb 6 at 3:11 AM Kyle wrote ...
I always saw these commonalities in the middle east as a Lakota myself, with many people really. Great advice and remarks by Tilsen, it can be hard trying to communicate truth and not offending anyone.
37106867Friday, Feb 5 at 11:48 PM Kota wrote ...
"Never defeated"... I like that... cuz' that's the truth as long as we still are here we are not defeated :)
37101382Friday, Feb 5 at 9:57 PM warren schaich wrote ...
Mr. Tilsen has displayed great courage. His deep humanity allows him to see connections between conditions of his people and Palistanian conditions. Both are the result of oppression from occupying and brutal people.Everything is good about this.
37096439Friday, Feb 5 at 8:41 PM lymond6 wrote ...
The last time I posted thusly, I was excoriated. But I'm a slow learner. I would never dream of being presumptive here, and it seems to me the human heart in conflict with itself makes for itself much pain. But I can't help thinking the fascist, corporatist, racist, sexist, etc-ists who run things are leer when we play THEIR games of death and deceit, to quote an old friend. Does it have to be a zero sum game of "nobody knows the trouble I've seen?" Of playing the dozens about just who is hurt most? Orworse, who needs help most? Call me naive, but I think if we all remembered those sixties "silly" words, like peace, love, and brother/sisterhood, and lifted up our voices together, united against common oppressors, we'd do better than merely to bicker among ourselves, feeding the negativity of the power structure, unable to unite in common cause. I am old. I am sad. But yet I retain hope we will relearn these old lessons. Come, my friends, tis not too late to seek a newer world. Please?
37093247Friday, Feb 5 at 6:33 PM Agree TOTALLY with 'Laurie' wrote ...
But 'skinwalker' is probably a wacko navajo trying to articulate 'something.' I shake my head with placcid 'indians' who try to use the UN/world stage to 'cry around' do you really think the UN cares or has any scruples to help say darfur where so many are slaughtered daily? This poor confused man just doesn't know enough of Lakol Wicoun to matter. Lakota are not White folks and few try to be...its a dead end street for all that 'play whiteman!'
37086914Friday, Feb 5 at 6:22 PM Brandy wrote ...
I don't see a parallel with Chicanos as they have no identifiable homeland and no history of fighting against an army to protect their territory.
37086269Friday, Feb 5 at 6:03 PM Ahuitzotl wrote ...
The parallels with Chicanos are even deeper. 8(
37085049Friday, Feb 5 at 1:15 PM Skinwalker wrote ...
Human being code of life way is not for name brand selling. Just to spell a word does not make the exclusive blood line. Everytime some claim of half this or that makes some comment the sheep give up their wool. Or better yet the lost tribe game sent away by ferry tale relegion selling. This noise of word is nothing to eye ball to eye ball silence. It's a good day to die comes from a place no alien will behold. Go make a jew/LaaLaa sweat song and show up when you have truth. The whomb of peace is not feeling bad before or after sun rise or set. We know every pebble,sound,motion,feeling all our relations speak with out noise. Billie Jack,or any other half and half can get in line at the white house and sell health care. We done the hollywood mix and match selling public need to have historical hand job. Indian reservation is a is with it the it all the other reservation have no blood stain feeding the world united states of america can claim bench mark for dealing candy words.
37064437Friday, Feb 5 at 1:11 PM Al wrote ...
You would be better off helping your own people in the U.S. I will give you the benefit of the date when it comes to knowing the history of your people. You know nothing of the history of that area and the arrogance and cruelty of Arabs toward others.
37064139Friday, Feb 5 at 12:24 PM LAKOTAWIN wrote ...
Never defeated...always LAKOTA-
37060424Friday, Feb 5 at 12:17 PM Clint wrote ...
The Jews took back their land that the Creator gave them 3200 years ago, is the same as Native Americans reclaiming their land here in the Americas. The palestinians are not indigenous and shouldnt be treated as such. They came after a western imperialist state (Rome) came in and wiped out over a million Jews and kicked out the rest. Just like so many immigrants came here after imperialist western nations killed the Indians and kicked out the rest.
37059792Friday, Feb 5 at 12:10 PM Laura wrote ...
Read up on the 'history' of the Palestinians. Then you'll get a real eye-opener.They have no common history, language, society or culture. They are in no way like Native Americans. The only ones oppressing these people are their corrupt terrorist leaders, not the Israelis. If you check out the facts for 5 minutes instead of the notoriously biased media, you'll be quite surprised to find out how many of these casualty statistics are compleltey bogus and how Israeli soldiers put their lives on the line to protect Palestinians who would cheer at the murder of innocent children. You have many Arab countries who claim the Palestians as their own, but do absolutely nothing to 'help' them. They'd rather see their Palestinian brethren suffer because the media can twist it to make it look like Israel is to blame for their poverty. Their leaders have no regard for human life, not even their own childrensCheck the facts, before you believe this hogwash. It's just part of another political agenda.
37059207Friday, Feb 5 at 11:05 AM Tumbler wrote ...
I agree with Mr Tilsen's remarks in regards to us being a defeated people. We don't have to stay that way but before we can move forward we need to admit it. That's better than what our reality is now. Our reality is that we take all our anger out on each other and then make ourselves feel better by pretending we are warriors and fighters who are protecting our people. We don't protect much of anything and I think we should be ashamed of who we have become so we might start on the rode back to having a real pride.
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