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Miccki Langston, of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation, Oklahoma, said her thinking about her tribal status has evolved over time. While she used to say, “My family is Potawatomi,” it took a longer time for her to say, “I’m Potawatomi.” Although she does not live in Oklahoma, she spends time at tribal cultural events and often visits her family there.

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The human face of enrollment wars

Part 1 of 5

By Carol Berry, Today correspondent

WATERTOWN, S.D. – As Indian country evolves, one agent of change – tribal enrollment – seems to stand out, accompanied by blood quantum, lineal descent, disenrollment, and its other sometimes controversial relatives.

Tribal enrollment can matter in terms of benefits in housing, land ownership, employment, education, and per capita payments, among others. There are obvious intangibles, as well – a sense of kinship and of continuity over time as tribal nations exercise their sovereign right to determine membership.

But in the complex world of tribal enrollment ordinances, people of substantial Native ancestry may not be able to enroll for a variety of reasons. At the same time, people with very few Native ancestors may find enrollment a snap.

The two stories that follow are far from definitive, but they illustrate at least one piece of a wide-ranging discussion – the private and human sense of feeling excluded or included.

“I tried to get enrolled basically all my life,” said Robert Upham, 47. “It made me angry, frustrated. When I was a little kid, I was just Indian – I was brown, I had relatives who were Indian. I never felt I was not Indian.” It began to change in fifth grade because he couldn’t attend a basketball camp open to enrolled children.

It began to matter even more when his grandmother tried to give him land and he couldn’t have it because he was not enrolled. He lived in Harlem, Mont. on the Fort Belknap Indian Reservation, home of the Assiniboine and Gros Ventre, where he lacked the blood quantum for membership at that time.

Upham, a long-time resident of tribal neverland, was only recently enrolled in the Sisseton-Wahpeton Oyate, although his Dakota, Assiniboine, Gros Ventre, Salish and Pend d’Oreilles ancestry brings his Native descent to well over half at this point and his genealogy is still not complete.

Things changed at Fort Belknap, he said, because the quantum was dropped from one-fourth to one-eighth, “but I didn’t want to enroll, now. I didn’t want to be a one-eighth Indian.” Instead, he joined other family members in enrolling in the Sisseton-Wahpeton Oyate, although he had never lived there.

The frustration he long felt is part of what thrust him onto the Internet, at times angrily, about rules that “diminish us and disintegrate our unity as a people.” He interviews people and posts on his blog. He maintains an active role in questioning blood quantum and other enrollment issues he regards as divisive and says he would like to help develop a solution.

“I’m against enrollment, but now I’m enrolled.” Blood quantum rules that halted his enrollment elsewhere did not apply at Sisseton, where “borrowing blood” from other tribal nations is permitted and where he works for a tribal casino.

“People may say it doesn’t matter – you don’t have to be enrolled to be Indian, but they don’t realize what being enrolled involves,” he said. For example, it can be a factor in hiring and in having a voice in tribal government.

Then there are the thousands upon thousands of tribal enrollees who don’t “look Indian” and haven’t grown up in tribal communities. They are often from tribal nations that determine membership or citizenship only by descent from documented tribal ancestors.

If relatively “high-quantum” Upham has felt anger about his problems getting enrolled despite his disdain at the prospect of being “a one-eighth Indian,” those at that quantum level (or even lower) may have some ambivalent feelings as well.

“I used to say my family was Potawatomi, but it took a long time for me to say that I’m Potawatomi,” said Mickki Langston, Denver suburbanite and member of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation who founded and heads a nonprofit alliance for locally-owned businesses.

“But since I’ve started saying that, the more time I spend talking to others, it’s turned into opportunities to have conversations about issues, history, with lots of different people.

“People ask, ‘How much are you?’ (she declines to respond) but we are Citizen Band Potawatomi because of history, legacy, culture and common values – these are the things that make us Potawatomi. We reject blood quantum as being the determining factor of whether we’re Native American.”

Although Langston does not live in Oklahoma, she knows her tribe’s history in detail, she visits relatives, attends a powwow more attuned to tribal members than to big-money contests, and summarizes, “We are definitely trying to understand and establish more of what it is to be Potawatomi today. It’s not the same thing it was 50 years ago, let alone 500 years ago.”

When she is asked about people who have greater Native ancestry but are unable to become enrolled, she said, “I think it’s awful if you have people who want to participate but can’t. It’s no longer fulfilling the purpose of community and identity – it can get to be, ‘I’m entitled to something you’re not entitled to.’”

Langston believes blood quantum requirements, for one, were created “to limit access to resources” and she raises questions about whether enrollment and tribal commitment “make us better people taking better care of one another, or it just means a card in my wallet.

“We always knew we were Potawatomi: If anyone asks you, you know – and this is important. Family is a core Potawatomi value,” she said, adding that her mother always told her children, “You don’t always have to like each other or get along, but always help each other.”

An oft-repeated tale is that somewhere in the Southwest is a man of full Native ancestry who can’t readily become enrolled because his mother’s tribe bases eligibility on patrilineal descent and his father’s tribe requires matrilineal descent. Apocryphal or not, it depicts the frustration of what may be a growing number of aspiring enrollees.

Thursday, Mar 11 at 11:01 PM coo wrote ...

When the white man came to this Continent we know as North America our homeland, the entire Continent was only Native Indians, we were one and we were one group of people, all shared together and we traveled for food, water, animals and climate, we are all related as one entire tribe, thru our travels the bands broke up and we were named different names by different people, the language varied. Groups of tribal people often sheltered themselves in one geographical area for so long they became independent of their neighbors. Long after the white man came then we became LABELED AND WE WERE TREATED LIKE ANIMALS AND POSSESSIONS BECAUSE WE WOULD NOT BEHAVE LIKE SLAVES WE WOULD RATHER DIE THAN BE A SLAVE, THAT IS WHY WE HAVE BEEN DIVIDED AND CONQUERED WITH A WHITE MANS DEVISE KNOWN AS TRIBAL ENROLLMENT, TRIBAL PEOPLE ONLY HAVE THE RIGHT TO DETERMINE WHO IS A MEMBERS, THE WHITE MAN TAUGHT OUR TRIBAL GOVERNMENTS HOW TO CONTROL US FOR THEM BY OUR OWN PEOPLE,TRY LIVING WITH MATRILINEAL DESCENT.

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Wednesday, Mar 10 at 7:36 PM 7/32 NDN wrote ...

I am only 22% Native (how weird is that?) but everyone on the Rez is cool to me even though I will never be enrolled so I'm all good. Still, I must admit, there is a small part of me that does feel left out especially since I cannot vote on tribal issues or get my own house out there with the rest of my friends and family unless I marry a Native man (Which hopefully I will someday!!). Anyways, with that said, I do understand that there has to be some limit on blood quantum or else anyone and everyone will try to become enrolled. So in the end, I'm not that upset about it. It is what it is.

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Tuesday, Mar 9 at 3:45 PM kthomas wrote ...

Are you sure you guys aren't white? You sure sound like it. At one time if you had anything except white you weren't good enough to be white.The comment about poor whites getting benefits...welcome to being white.

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Monday, Mar 1 at 10:44 PM whatever wrote ...

are we supposed to make enrollment so easy that anybody can become a tribal member? heck no...why should indian tribes become social service agencies to poor white folks who are trying to connect themselves to tribal governments late in life.. I'm down for blood quantum...tribes have to protect themselves...not make life easier for folks who connect to their european ancestors, but treat tribe's like social service agencies when it's convenient for them....not admitting blood quantum is a dead giveaway for some folks who are too embarrassed admitting 1/2000 - that is not an indian anymore...I'm sorry

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Monday, Mar 1 at 4:46 PM mara wrote ...

what good is blood if you know nothing of the culture? Its just a classifcation term then, it doesn't mean anything There are tons of full-blooded people out there, that might as well be non-native for all they know about their own culture. Either way, its a fine line, but I think cultural knowledge takes precedent over blood.

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Monday, Mar 1 at 3:37 AM A NDN in South Dakota wrote ...

If we are born to a(n) aboriginal member(s) on this land then we must all belong to one nation of people. United We Stand - Divided We Fall. We can have A Future NDN President-and Reclaim our LAND too. United States of America.

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Friday, Feb 26 at 8:55 AM Crazytalk wrote ...

This issue is certainly serious. I do not mean to make light of it but it reminds me of the joke about the two Indian boys who stole the pig and had to put sunglasses and a scarf on it to get it through the roadblock. “Don’t you just hate to see an Indian boy with a beautiful white woman!

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Thursday, Feb 18 at 11:00 AM KOTA wrote ...

I bet Andrew Jackson is down there in h… right now laughing... knowing that his “descendants” in DC are still busy trying to put a final solution to his “Indian problem” by putting Our people against each other. We live in a time where we are relearning history in the sense that We see thru the lies and deceit of yesterday, so let’s not get “blinded” again and relive the past as well! OUR LANDS,OUR PEOPLE, OUR RULES!

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Tuesday, Feb 16 at 5:36 PM It is what It is wrote ...

Unfortunately, today there are many of us Wannabes thru no fault of our own. Our elders attempted to tell our parents and us years ago to marry within our tribes because someday the Indian blood line will run out. Now, many of us have gotten to that point. We and our children are now actually white, black, hispanic, etc. Our own tribes (people)determine the amount of blood required to be an Indian member. Just be proud of who you are, whether it's white, Black, Hispanic, or whatever. Everybody, non-natives, hippies etc., claim to be Indian. Many even had the Cherokee Princess Grandmother! For some strange reason, being Indian seems to be a trend right now. We are what we are and no amount of whining will make us Indians. If we don't have the blood, WE AREN'T INDIANS! Blame our parents, not the tribes who won't recognize us as Indian. We're not Indians, deal with it!

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Monday, Feb 15 at 11:44 AM Strong Native Woman wrote ...

no matter how you argue quantum blood...it's a matter of sex and conception,and after its over,its irreverseable.i think that is obvious to all.people detribalize themselves.so take care native ladies the end of native nations is near. And native men can't make babies either? Take care native men.

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Sunday, Feb 14 at 2:07 AM The Big Native wrote ...

Ok. Simple solution. Each tribe has its own beliefs and own constitution. If you have a problem with enrollment in your tribe get a referendum vote to create change. This is why we are sovereign democratic nations. It's not fair to compare natives to Nazis because we are preserving our people and not oppressing another race.

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Saturday, Feb 13 at 11:07 PM Gigassuinu wrote ...

Quannah Parker's mom was white and he had red hair and blue eyes. Yes - you do have to have blood to be Native but I dare any of you Nazi Natives to say Quannah was not an indian ! He was one of the greatest War Chiefs ever. As time goes on theere will be more intermarriage but that doesn't mean we will disappear. The Mi'kmaw have intermarried for 400 years and we still speak our language and still have our ceremonies. You never step out of the same stream you stepped into - you must move on but hang onto who youare.

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Saturday, Feb 13 at 6:06 PM jonathan wrote ...

I'm an adoptee. I found my birthmother over the internet and my birthfather too and some siblings. I'm mixed, Irish, Black and Native American. I got names and traced my family tree to the Choctaw Nation. But I can't prove a thing because my birth records were amended, My birthmother and father don't work too hard to share anything and they see themselves as mixed or Black while I always saw myself as unknown until I saw my relative's names on the rolls. Now, I don't care (and I did apply, was denied, appealed for membership all the way to the BIA), I don't have enough proof but I have enough to finally know who I see in the mirror. Forever am, Chahta!Chi haklo lachike!

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Friday, Feb 12 at 8:23 PM csktdescendant wrote ...

"My wife is native and I would feel guilty if i bred children with any other race. So when you're getting ready to breed think twice about how its going to affect your family tree."--The Big Native (Feb 9). Thanks for the advice, but I think I'll pass....

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Friday, Feb 12 at 6:07 PM Circular 1665 wrote ...

The comments on this issue are interesting. Personally, I think blood quantum isn't as important as everyone is making it out to be. Just because someone is full blooded doesn’t mean they are any better than someone who is half or a quarter. I know people who are full that don’t even act like they are Indian or are trying to be like non Indians. Being Indian is as much mental and spiritual as it is physical.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 2:55 PM Heart doe NOT matter wrote ...

No matter how one feels in their heart if they don't have blood, they aren't NDN. They might be "accepted" by individual NDNs or tribs or nonNDNs as an NDN but having an NDN heart does not make a nonNDN NDN any more than having a "Haitian heart" makes me Haitian. Try getting enrolled with just your NDN heart. You can't and will end up calling the tribe "White" because they don't accept you. The irony of NDNs being "out NDN'd" by the "NDN in their hearts" crowd.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 1:05 PM Heart is what matters... wrote ...

Red Bear, tȟaŋhánši, what you said is not true. Crazy Horse, his mother was half Wašiču, and his grandmother married a Frenchman. Do you really want to say he and his family are not Lakȟota?

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Friday, Feb 12 at 12:50 PM Red Bear wrote ...

a long time ago amongst the Lakotas when a woman became with a different race ,she was considered no longer a member of the Tribe. a lot of women today who are with wasicus still get commodities and are being well taken care of because of us. back then they couldnt even have a say. most are just using us because there whitehusbands cant feed them. why give yourself away...

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Friday, Feb 12 at 12:45 PM Helene wrote ...

My relative was a First Nations female who married outside to a white; per Canada's rules at the time, she became a "non-status" indian.(The reverse did not hold true. If you were a male First Nations & married a white female-ALL were considered then First Nations.) I do NOT connect with my great-grandmother for financial benefits. I connect with her since her voice was silenced long ago by the powers that be. We all should remember who originally set up these requirements. My father's relatives lost their status when Virginia decided that all of them were "colored" as opposed to "indian." I agree with NM; we now have "interalized colonization."

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Friday, Feb 12 at 12:39 PM Mike George wrote ...

My father was native and my mother was white. My father was born in 1914 and I’m getting up into my years myself. Some year’s back I attempted to get connected to that part of myself that is native. So far all that I have been able to find is an bunch of people half my age that have nothing better to say than call me a wannabe mixed blood that has no right even asking. I never wanted to join any tribe, just find the opportunity to learn without having the door slammed in my face. Honestly, I wouldn’t want be associated with any organization such as the one james o wahwassuck mentioned that visions itself as Adolf Hitlers Waffen SS.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 11:38 AM Chickashapoya wrote ...

I am an enrollled member of the Chickasaw Nation. I have proven 1/8th ancestry on my cdib, and hope to prove another eighth from three other tribes. I am a "paper Indian" right now, because I cannot speak my language fluently, and have just a basic understanding of our history. I won't consider myself a "real Chickasaw" until I can do both of the things mentioned above, and I can say that I've done something for the people of my Nation. I can see both sides of the quantum issue. Yes, there are some full bloods that don't care about their culture, and yes, there are thin bloods that are more knowledgeable than most, but I've mainly noticed that higher quantum people care more about the culture, and lower quantum people care less. It is a generalization. As a "low quantum" Indian, I hope to shatter the stereotype. I guess i got lucky...with two blond, blue-eyed brother, I got the features that are a pretty good match for my Nation. I wonder, what is powerful enough to bind us?

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Friday, Feb 12 at 9:50 AM james o wahwassuck wrote ...

on the matter of blood quantum.do the math before sex not after,sex is enjoyed by all,but the results are different.keep the government out of your sex life,the paper work is hell.it also causes problems for tribal counsil,they cheat on math.result we have b.i.a.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 9:47 AM GoodRunner wrote ...

Good debates everyone! This really shows the pride and heart-ache that gets experienced. Those who have walked on would ask us to love our family members, no matter what.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 9:16 AM james o wahwassuck wrote ...

my name is potawatomi,my father potawatomi,my mother potawatomi.99% native have anglo names.christian rome,christian america are destroying you.just speak your name are you like me?what has been done you cannot be undone.jaguar prophet told you this long ago.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 5:20 AM Skeejun wrote ...

I think that all Native Nations have to decide what they want to determine who can be recognized within thier own Nations. That is thier right as a soveriegn Nation, but in the end you have to be comfortable in your own skin what ever that skin is. Wolastoqewi Skeejun

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Friday, Feb 12 at 3:43 AM james o wahwassuck wrote ...

today we don't soldiers to kill us.we're doing a great job ourselves!hitler had his ss,we have our bia,and a tribal council that culls the flock.so much for sovereignty and native nationhood.of which we are neither.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 2:04 AM the big native wrote ...

It would be interesting to see what a lot of tribes did traditionally with half alien kids. I think the white media made us believe we are some group of freeloving unorganized hippies. My tribe would take the mixed child from the mother and leave it in the desert. This is probably not the easy going peaceful Indians we see on tv or in movies but was reality. Luckily we use blood quantum now.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 1:49 AM Observer wrote ...

It appears as if most of ones who don't like BQ are the ones whose BQ or the BQ of their relatives is too low for them to be enrolled. Those who say they don't need a card probably don't qualify for one. Those who think it's about money or benefits and not wanting to share resources are just searching for a reason to blame the tribe, the system or the man when tribes really do want to share but just with their own.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 1:28 AM Half Breed wrote ...

My Father had to go out to work sick or not because he had a big family to feed and keep a hoof over our heads because no-one was helping a white man. What I'm saying not all white people had it easy ether. This is coming from a half breed that knows both sides.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 1:19 AM Half Breed wrote ...

I was very proud of my Mother and her people, she would have never put anyone down like some of the stuff that has been wrote on this site. I feel really bad for the Native people because that way of life has gone for you, like us your ancestry live that life hundreds of years ago.

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Friday, Feb 12 at 1:08 AM Half Breed: wrote ...

I can't believe the remarks I have been reading, My Mother was French Indian and my Dad was white. I do have enough to get my card but if I got a card I don't want anything for nothing because that is the way I grow up.My Mother and Father worked for everything we got and got nothing for nothing.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 11:22 PM Justwondering wrote ...

Tribal enrollment will always be a subject of contention, but who's to say what a "real Indian" is? I was just wondering in reading these negative comments by those who give an impression of having "more Indian" blood than the rest of us and those who give an impression of having so-called Traditional beliefs....Where's the whole 'We are all related' routine? What happened to accepting others as one of your own??

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 9:35 PM james o wahwassuck wrote ...

no matter how you argue quantum blood 1/4,1/2,3/4,32,64, it's a matter of sex and conception,and after its over,its irreverseable.i think that is obvious to all.people detribalize themselves.so take care native ladies the end of native nations is near.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 9:10 PM james o wahwassuck wrote ...

[con't]also mice are white,cats are white,dogs are white,all man made,white man made.native women have three or more choices,black men,white men,brown men,we live or die by their choice,thus the quantum law,the tribe lives or dies.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 8:50 PM james o wahwassuck wrote ...

people are white,chickens are white,turkeys are white,pigs are white,buffalo are 60% bovine,cows are white,many indians are white and growing,many blacks are white,we are all becoming white ,we're fading fast.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 8:33 PM Gigassuinu wrote ...

BQ is such BS. You are what you are. There are no full bloods anywhere. Such notions come from watching too many Roy Roger movies. My heritage is mostly french and Mi'kmaw. BQ is just a way to dilute and diminsh us until we don't exist anymore. I am not going away and I will honor my fathers and mothers of all nations because thats who I am. TAHOE!

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 6:50 PM omaha wrote ...

heck it's all about greed...i left my rez long ago and it is like i am terminated. the anglo gal who wants my census # can have it for all I care ...or even ward churchill maybe...she can run for Miss NDN America and him for Tribal council as even the buffalo heads out rank this FBI = Full Blood Indian not Fat Belly Indian as I have to work and not slurp off the numbers of others to get my check!They even shot and sold the magnificent eagle to our leaders ...then they go out and represent , yeah ..and look who sits around the drum...the ancestors are speaking as my parents who have passed on are watching!

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 5:50 PM Russell K. Patrick wrote ...

blood quatum is just a nother form of geniside ask most any body below half from the five civialived tribes but at the same time there has to be a quiting point cause there are peop;le that was never NDN befor the casinos i don't know i am just a poor pitafull human

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 4:50 PM Robert Upham wrote ...

Thanks for writing the article Carole Berry and thanks to Indian Country Today for being a conduit for change. If anyone who reads this article wants more information on my/Robert Upham's postion. then check out my videos on you tube at : www.youtube.com/harlemndn1 or at: www.myspace.com/harlem_indian I hope you find the videos on youtube to be insightful and helpful to this very important discussion. Mitakuywe Oyasin Robert -AKA- "Harlem Indian"

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 4:20 PM A "Real" Indian wrote ...

I think it's disgusing that whites think that one drop of Indian blood makes them "Indian". While at the same time one drop of white blood in an African-American still makes them Black or one drop of white blood in a Native American still makes them an Indian. For example, just ask any white what race President Obama is?

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 4:08 PM richard abbey wrote ...

my heart goes out to indian people who cannot become tribal members, there are many reasons why,some can, some cant. if you cant, become active culturaly. seek out traditionals in your family\tribe. learn your peoples art, history, music, language ect. participate. go fix a grandmothers leaky roof. do what you can to help your community.leave the enrollment issue to the polittitions.be who you are and ignore the bigots.racism is not an indian ideal. if you really are indian, you know that ,whatever your struggles, they are no more difficult than the struggles of the 7 generations that came before you. tecumseh said my people are like seeds in the cold earth after a long winter. in seven generations we will return and be strong again. tecumseh spoke of indian unity. he fought for it. love for all my cpn brothers and sisters out in pot. co south siders rule! bama pi!

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 3:36 PM David Eli Guardipee wrote ...

It would suprize people how other tribes view each other look into your tribe& see who work's there, most of the buget nationwid goes to programs that employ white people they get more money, for doing very little while the Nation,s People get penny's I know I got $0.13 for lease money.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 3:13 PM cm wrote ...

We need to stop the negative comments. Remember all of us making these comments are reading this article because we have an interest as an indian person. We will continue to have a mixture of this and that in our children. Does that stop us from loving them...There will come a time when you will reach out for help, and I mean real help, will it make a difference in who gives the hand up, will you say oh your not at least 1/2, 1/4 etc, you can't pick me up. Think about it.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 2:43 PM The business of cards wrote ...

Shywolf: Is your "Irish" friend a citizen of Ireland? If so, I bet he has a passport (a glorified card if you will) proving he is a citizen of Ireland. If your friend is an American w/ Irish ancestry he probably has a card (drivers license, state id) showing he's a citizen of the US, Irish ancestry notwithstanding. While not a citizen of Ireland he still has "Irish pride" although I'd bet donuts to dollars that Irish citizens would roll their eyes at him. A tribal enrollment card shows a person is a CITIZEN of a tribal nation. Yes, there are people who have tribal ancestry who aren't citizens. They don't need cards to "prove" their ancestry or how they feel in their hearts but they do need proof (a card, passport, ID of one sort or another) to prove they are a citizen of their nation. Tribal nations are no different than any other nation in the world in defining citizenship requirements and issuing supporting documents that serve as proof of citizenship, Indian pride notwithstanding.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 11:42 AM Just an Indian wrote ...

dina in NM is right, "Real Indians" by Garroutte is one of the best books written on this issue. I also liked Fergus Bordewich's "Killing the White Man's Indian". We, American Indians and Native Americans, need to self-determine ourselves, otherwise, the direction we're going we'll self-determine ourselves out of existence.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 11:36 AM Chris wrote ...

It used to be in our tribe, the wife followed the husband. If a woman married outside the tribe she became a member of her husband's tribe and likewise if a man married outside the tribe, his wife was brought into our tribe and she became one of us, as did the children of this union. It was this way for centuries if not thousands of years. It is not beyond reason that beleive that it is possible our tribe was not pure blood. Blood quantum in my opinion is just another way to terminate tribes. What is sad is that tribes buy into the notion that blood degree defines tribe. When we make ourselves extinct because of exclusion, the government wins. I am enrolled and so are my children but I think the old ways are the ways we should return to. Each tribe determining their membership the way their ancestors did.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 11:09 AM Shywolf1970 wrote ...

Being biracial (micmac & scottish); I have mixed feelings about the card issue. One of my best friend's a proud Irishman yet he does'nt need a card to prove it.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 10:13 AM WAMP1MASHPEE wrote ...

I FEEL FOR ANY ONE WHO KNOWS WHO THERE DADDY IS BUT CAN NOT PROVE IT OR BY HOW NUCH BLOOD THEY HAVE I KNOW HOW MUCH I HAVE AND IT COMES FROM BOTH SIDES I DON'T KNOW HOW TO BE ANYTHING BUT HTIS BEAUTIFUL NATIVE WOMAN I DON'T LOOK AT PEOPLE AND SAY YOU ARE THIS AND THAT ITS NOT FOR ME TO DECIDE I JUST DON'T GO ALONG WITH THE WANNA BE AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE WHY DOES EVERY WANT TO BE NATIVE IS THAT THE THING THIS YEAR ITS COOL OR IS IT CLEAN NOT MANY WANT TO BE BLACK AMERICANS THINK ABOUT THIS ITS NOT REAL BUT LETS SAY EVERY ONE HAS RED BLOOD

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 9:56 AM james o wahwassuck wrote ...

protect your nation,land is the foundation of the state.disrupt the new world order.establish independent tribal states.end colonial american reservations.the empire dissolves your lives.the christian god and the followers are evil,end their world that detribalizes and demands tributes that enslaves people.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 7:48 AM candyll wrote ...

Blood Quantum is a Euro-American termination policy....we did not put that stigma or rule on ourselves it is how we are defined and counted. We are a number.....wasn't the bureau who dealt with us housed in the WAR DEPARTMENT????

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 1:58 AM On having kids with non Indians wrote ...

I dated a nonIndian man for 7 years. Everyone in my family hated it. We broke up over cultural differences that he thought I'd get over. The biggie was I couldn't handle the thought of being the nameless, tribeless "Indian grandma" in the family tree. Now I'm married to a man who is enrolled and we have kids who are enrolled. It's the best choice I ever made. My sister did have a kid a nonIndian man, a man who she didn't love, just dated. My niece is beautiful but unenrollable. We love her unconditionally but know that not everyone else will. As she's being raised on the rez she'll grow up with an Indian identity and hopefully have children with an Indian man. Or she may have children with a nonIndian man and my sister will be an Indian grandma, tribe and name unknown as so many Indian grandmas and great grandmas end up being. Love is not blind. People make choices. Know that your choices will affect your descendants forever just as your ancestors decisions affect you today. Be smart.

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 12:41 AM Candace Colbert Odom wrote ...

There are tests that are pretty darn accurate and they can tell if you are Native and how much... It is like a DNA test. If you believe that you are of your tribe ask for the blood test if available. I think its called genomics, I'm not sure though. Its a relatively new science but it is 99% accurate. I would love to know more about it!

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Thursday, Feb 11 at 12:01 AM Goldeneagle wrote ...

Talking to(the big native )i understand what your saying and all but I'm of Native American descent .I'm part African American and Native American what you said almost reminded me of an klu klux Klan their for an moment the pure race thingy.yes i understand the blood quantum lineal descent and all that .but who made up the Dawes roll and all them roles and were following them because we were forced to use them when they first started by whom? That's what i don't understand .I just feel sorry because we let the european assimilate into our tribes and make their law our laws .I'm not an card carrying native i just want to be respect for who I am the people around me know I'm native that all that counts .the sins of the mothers and fathers .you don't care about color when your in love.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 11:58 PM Candace Colbert Odom wrote ...

Dear MBF: People who were adopted away can find out who their biological parents were by going to the county courthouse where they were adopted out and asking the Juvenile Court Judge to open their adoption records because they have a right to know their Native American Roots. They can also, go to the hospitals where they were born and ask for their own birth records on the day and year of their birth if they have their moms name. Then, go to the Dept of Vital Statistics in their State and get their original birth certificate. If you were adopted through an agency - go to that particular agency and ask to see your birth records and if needed get a Freedom of Information Statement from the Courthouse. Also, Catholic, Methodist, Presby,Morman, Churches keep records of Births, Marriages, Deaths to help with any biological family members if someones parents have passed on... This might be helpful to any adopted child or person who wants to know their pertinent information.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 11:16 PM The Big Native wrote ...

ok, lets look at reality here. if you're not enrolled there is probably a good reason. it is not a conspiracy against you. one of your ancestors thought they would be cool and marry a non-indian and now you're paying the price. unfortunately, i see this happening alot. I see alot of indian grandparents taking care of half black grandchildren. many of these kids will grow up thinking they are full indian but because their mother chose to marry outside of the community the kids will never be accepted in the community. in the future these kids will be whining about blood quantum and how they were raised traditionally.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 10:09 PM Rezzdoglol wrote ...

Pretty interesting comments. On my rez I have relatives disenrolling themselves from the MOhawk Tribe because they don't believe that Tribal Sovereignty (fed recognition) is any kind of legitimate sovereignty at all, and they still have rights as Native people, maybe not as Fed recognized people, but as Native people they do. They still havve land rights, rights to services and such. I guuess you can't kill the Indian to save the man after all.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 7:34 PM Rachelle wrote ...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if your ancestors "left" or weren't enrolled, wouldn't your family be your "tribe"? That's what old tribes were, families and communities of families. Then your families would still be keeping and practicing the ways of their ancestors anyway.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 7:04 PM Anonymous wrote ...

My brother is an enrolled member of a federally recongnized tribe because he was born in 1945. His tribe changed the BQ in 1946. I was born in 1947. So I, as well as my siblings born after 1946 were not enrolled. Did it make a difference, it sure did. I understand that there had to be a cut off. Actually if some people did not show their indian, they didn't claim to be indian. When they heard there might be some benefits, they all lined up. I encouraged my children to marry indian to bring the blood back. I'm thankful they did. Sometimes our worst ememy is our own people.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 6:50 PM Sad stories wrote ...

It is sad when those with higher BQ and more recent connections cannot be enrolled. As has been repeated, enrollment is political. Tribal enrollment isn't just a "Hitler" strategy - It identifies enrolled tribal members as being one of the Nation, kind of like an SSN here in the States. Not being enrolled simply means you aren't part of the political entity of X Tribe or Nation. Many people are racially Indian but not politically Indian. Then you have those who are politically Indian but with barely any blood and who are racially more nonIndian than Indian. It is a quandary. However, it all goes back to each tribe to determine who is & who isn't one of them by whatever means they choose. Those who can't be enrolled can still get a CDIB, providing they have the paperwork to back up their claim. Then at least they can legally claim to be Indian, albeit without a tribe to belong to. Sad stories but we all suffer from the sins of our fathers and mothers.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 6:41 PM 100% american wrote ...

Some of these comments about parentage and blood quatum and enrollment sound alot like Eugenics to me.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 5:37 PM NV Indin wrote ...

The true Indians weren’t even counted in the first place and still have no affiliation with any reservation system or tribal membership. That image is now misconstrued, Now the true Indian has given into the reservation system and has papers to prove it.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 5:36 PM NV Indin wrote ...

I am ¾ Western Shoshone and ¼ Navajo. My Western Shoshone descendants lived as a free people, and were referred to as landless and homeless until 1937. Then the BIA decided to classify my ancestors as- The non-reservation Western Shoshone Northern Census and the non-reservation Western Shoshone Southern Census. For this reason some of my elderely family members were on the southern census and are now are being disenrolled although they are 100% western Shoshone. To top that off, the input gathered by census takers was inaccurate in name, age, blood quantum, etc. Partial-breeds were identified as full bloods, ages of people are inaccurate, family relations are wrong, etc. and now these census’ are held as gospel. My dad believes he is the last of the old people because he refuses to be a product of this system. My point is, enrollment is a government based political identity. The true Indians weren’t even counted in the first place and still have

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 5:22 PM Robin Youngblood wrote ...

I'm about 5/8 Native, but from 5 different tribes, since all of my nations got lumped together under the U.S. government's label of "Confederated Tribes". According to my tribe, I need to have 1/4 bq in ONE tribe to get registered. I've fought this all my life! Like Sammy (above comment), I live Native, practice the Red Road, have been trained to facilitate ceremonies, and have been adopted into two tribes that I wasn't born to, Lakota and Seminole. They all seem to know who I am, (as do I), and yet, the U.S. governement/BIA rules! My kids/grandchildren follow our ways, and we are family and tiyospaye to many. Do I need enrollment? Well, I'd like it if somebody wants to give it to me, however, as one of my (enrolled) cousins once told me, "Besides the Jews in Hitler's Germany, we're the only people on earth who have to have a card with a number on it to prove who we are! And guess where Hitler got the idea to number/label all the Jews?" That pretty much say it all for me.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 4:56 PM Kinew wrote ...

Starfish Get lost

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 4:44 PM replytobignative wrote ...

Where is the law that says you can only be enrolled in 1 tribe at a time??...personally I dont think there is a law, maybe a tribes own law that you cannot be enrolled in another at the time of enrollment but who is to say you can't be enrolled in 2 tribes? I say its up to the ndn people some have descended from more than 1

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 4:39 PM nobody's friend wrote ...

i respect all the comments. here on iRez everyone who is indian is full blood. we are tied to the land. the rules made by the foreign govt has to be taken over and controlled for our own benefit. it is unity that can accomplish this. oh yeah, happy new year everyone.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 4:06 PM Native Descendant wrote ...

Also, perhaps you may consider procreating with Miccki Langston, of the Citizen Potawatomi Nation, Oklahoma. That way you can avoid your grandchildren being upset with you conceiving them with someone you chose for the right reasons and not for apparently bigoted reasons.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 4:05 PM A Lakota wrote ...

"Lakota kin otehika" or to be an Indian/Human Being is difficult. My uncle told me that to be Lakota is a way of life and has nothing to do with what it has become today in full-blood this, 1/124th that, enrolled, not enrolled. As has always been, Indians come in different sizes, shapes, and colors. One of the most respected Indians ever was Tasunka Witko, or Crazy Horse. He was mostly known as Oglala Lakota but had other Lakota bands and Cheyenne in his blood. No one ever questioned his "Indianness" and he lived/died the way of life. My grandmother could trace our family back until 1837, that is not the end of my heritage or my right to be. The selfishness of blood quantum and enrolled or not enrolled is not Indian at all. You are or you are not. You cannot choose your parents. Some full-bloods are the worst examples of Indians, so it's not just blood. The fake-New-Agers are also not necessary. It's in between. One day there will be no more Indians with the quantum issue.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 4:00 PM Native Descendant wrote ...

I agree with what 4/4th had to say and if you are reading this then scroll to that comment (16 away from mine). As for my opinion, I apparently don't have one according to The Big Native. It makes me sick to read those ignorant words and sad that someone that is enrolled is so misinformed and most likely into inbreeding.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 3:53 PM MoN8VDenUR wrote ...

Name says it all baby! Read it and weep! Holla!

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 2:30 PM 1/4 Makes Me Nothing. wrote ...

I'm 1/4 BQ, unenrolled. I think its kinda crazy that you have to enroll to be an "Indian"... if I were a 1/4 black, I'd be accepted at my word as being black. I understand limiting enrollment because of resources, but I'm not a person asking for anything but to be accepted as who I am. You can call me what you wish (I've heard them all from my own grandfather). I am of mixed blood and proud of who I am regardless of whether I have been given a "membership card" to prove it to anyone.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 1:57 PM fmlndnca wrote ...

You have to think about who you are going to breed with. I hate lineal decendancy. I look at it this way. If your remains were dug up and they didn't identify you as native american based on dna or bone structure. YOU ARE NOT INDIAN. You no longer have any blood or dna. It's really that simple.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 1:56 PM little dry creek wrote ...

My father was half mono, that puts me at the quarter. my children our 1/8th and so on. The blood Q was for the tribes to terminate themselves and for no other reason. and many of the tribes have fallen for it. I know others that are 1/4 but they are much darker its was because of the hispanic blood. So because they are dark they think they are more indian than I am. I am Indian, I am here for my grandma and my dad and that will never change. Tribes need to walke up and smell the roses. It's just another plot to terminate. and the greed that has come about will also end when your last member dies and the only ones left are a 1/4 or less. then I guess Vegas will take over the casinos. Good luck

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 12:59 PM Bobby Foreman wrote ...

please visit www.tribalcorruption.com to get more informed about what is going on in california and other states as well, thank you

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 12:45 PM rezzie wrote ...

If you are enrolled in a Federally recognized tribe, you are an American Indian. If you aren't enrolled, you are a Native American, like anybody else born in the USA. Dems the rules.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 12:13 PM H.R.WHITE JR Red lake Nation Red Lake Mn. wrote ...

After 27 years my sons came back into my life,they're mother is not of the people but beacause of my BQ iwas able to get them enrolled. I'm proud to say we as one of two nations refused the dawes allotment act and as a result still maintain total control of our ancestral homeland. To those of you who would dare to call my childre dogs well this is nothing but the diveide and conquer tactic all over gain!!! I love my sons and to get them enrolled i believe was the best i could give them as a father.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 11:16 AM therealdeal wrote ...

The neoteric structure the strategy of confusion for a psychic recipe for the bloodhunters/supermarket indians.(non-indian claimers) They have hatched the experimental blood-shoppers, now these neo indians are these fullblooded paper morphed indians. Nothing like our historical ancestrial native american indian. Hatched/borned in Germany, came to our U.S of America country, came to our rez., now all these german people are full bloods 4/4 morphed paper indian and in our tribal gov't. This was done so harshly to confuse! Our owns historical indians are being phased-out by the HR-2822ers(splinter groups) the fake neoteric indian & tribes!

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 10:53 AM Starman wrote ...

Kinew is a coward who issued a challenge but didn't follow through. Email and phone number please.

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 6:02 AM Kinew wrote ...

This woman is white. Most of the comments on this seem to be coming from people who are'nt "native" enough for enrollment. Get over it,get a life and stop whining..

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 4:29 AM WARA wrote ...

Greetings from Tsenacommacah! the concepts of "tribe" and "bq" came from the colonizers.....these are NOT indigenous concepts....our names have to do with our indigenous languages or places where we live.....

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Wednesday, Feb 10 at 3:56 AM Native NDN wrote ...

Enrollment is one of the "true sovereignty" rights inherited by a tribal government. It has the authority to alter BQ definitions at will, some have already gone to descendant, omitting blood amounts. Notably, as tribal members drift away from its traditional or historical definition as a group and integrate into "non-tribal breeding" of the mainstream society, so does the membership blood definitions. Yes, BQ and tribal enrollment is a means of self-preservation and identity of its uniqueness as compared to other tribes. And yes, the federal government utilizes this as a tool to maintain some semblance to implementing Trust Responsibility under treaties to these identified tribes. Call it what you must, but it is a necessary evil to identify and reflect the uniqueness of various tribes, while limiting exploitation.

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Tuesday, Feb 9 at 7:46 PM The Big Native wrote ...

I agree with Enrolled Native. You shouldn't blame your tribe/bia, you should blame your parents/grandparents if you don't have enough BQ to be enrolled. The first thing I did was enroll my daughter. I saw alot of parents take months to enroll their children. This is just laziness. My wife is native and I would feel guilty if i bred children with any other race. So when you're getting ready to breed think twice about how its going to affect your family tree.

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Tuesday, Feb 9 at 4:11 PM 4/4th wrote ...

I grew up supporting strict rules for getting enrolled but have changed my mind as I've gotten older. If letting more people in means we get less then is say 'so what'? As native people, we have grown to define our sense of worth on how much we can squeeze out of our cards but we don't have the courage of our ancestors to sacrifice anything to earn what we have. So, now, I say the heck with protecting this racket of rewards and let's open it up to as many people as possible. maybe there will be some in that group who have an ounce of reverence for who we should be as natives and not the entitled cowards who we have become.

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Tuesday, Feb 9 at 2:23 PM Pueblogirl wrote ...

My Mom has 1/2 BQ of a U.S.tribe and also has indigenous ancestry via her Mom from Mexico. When our tribe got federal recognition, my Mom was left off the base roll because my non-Native father had cut her off from any contact with her Native family when they got married back in the 1950's. End result, even though I have sufficient BQ and and as an adult have immersed myself in tribal history, culture, language and am married to a tribal member, I'm deemed ineligible for enrollment.Mom did reconnect 10 yrs. ago with the tribe in defiance of my father, but it's too late. We've been told repeatedly that she can't enroll nor can I or my siblings, nor my children who also have sufficient BQ. Mom is heartbroken and fears she will die never being recognized by her own people. I don't care about financial benefits, etc. But lack of enrollment excludes me from so many things. Still, I'm doing my best to participate in the traditional side of things. I'm Indian no matter what the BIA says

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Tuesday, Feb 9 at 1:53 PM Enrolled Native wrote ...

Being enrolled is both political and racial. The political alliance a person has with a tribe guarantees them certain rights. Not enrolled = no rights. Those who aren't enrolled aren't "disenfranchised" by anyone but their ancestors and their ancestors' decisions: If an ancestors declined enrollment, they are the ones who put the brakes on your tribal enrollment; If your ancestors progenated with a non-indian it was they who lowered your blood quantum. Tribes with blood quantums are not at fault of anything except self-preservation. While not without its faults, blood quantum keeps the NDN in the NDN. Higher BQ means we exist as NDN for at least another generation. Note to those of child-bearing age: Have your children with other Natives. If you don't and your kids and grandkids can't be enrolled, it's nobody's fault but your own. A political (enrolled) racial (high BQ) NDN trumps one who is just one or the other. If you don't make the cut, look at your ancestors not the tribe.

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Tuesday, Feb 9 at 1:48 PM the big native wrote ...

if you're not enrolled your not native. thats easy.find a new culture to be part of. maybe you can be latino. they have plenty of natives that arent enrolled. i do disagree that you can only be enrolled in one tribe at a time. if you qualify you should be able to enrolled. thats easy enough.

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Tuesday, Feb 9 at 12:08 AM 7armadillos wrote ...

We have my ancestor's papers but he died during the enrollment process and did not make the Dawes roll. His family had to leave Indian Territory to live with other relatives due to having no means of support otherwise. This made them ineligible, so they didn't make the Dawes roll. I did get to go to an Indian School but was told that if someone who was enrolled applied, they would have to ask me to leave so they could have my place. Enrollment was deigned to EXCLUDE. I know who I am even if the government doesn't.

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Monday, Feb 8 at 9:40 PM Lois Edwards wrote ...

I am 1/2 Native American and still not accepted by the tribe as a lineal but was reclassified 2005 to the status of non-lineal. I think we all know what that means less, money for education, less benefits through tribal health. Whatever I say makes, no difference to my cousins they still claim to be the only Indians entitled to these benfits. All I say is those who believe they are first will be in the end those who are the last. If you believe in God it is written. I see many who are not as well off as me , from their greed they get fat and ugly and unhealthy. Sorry but they feed there face with to much food and drink. I am happier without them.

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Monday, Feb 8 at 4:30 PM Scattered Man wrote ...

Wonderful and well-written aricle. thank you for making it happen. I am one of thos disenfranchised victims of the system as well as my cousins and most importantly, my descendants. Well-said indeed but with no real answers. what are we do do? our blood is thick with the realives and they keep me awake at night, so why is they do not keep others awake?

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Monday, Feb 8 at 11:55 AM Sammy wrote ...

As an unenrolled outlander I live as Native. I am known amoung our people and practice our ancient traditional sacred ceremonies. I think, breath, and live Native. I am Native. Yet, I am separated from my Tribe because I cannot connect my ancestry to the Dawes Rolls. In relation to Cherokee History, the Dawes Roll is a "POLITICAL" Roll. It is designed to reflect the historical divisions among the Cherokee's at the time of Dawes enrollment. Because of the extreme hatred between Cherokee political groups at the time, often ending in murder, many Cherokee chose instead to remain in Arkansas or to move to Texas. Evan after enrollment Arkansas Cherokees were hunted by Oklahoma Cherokees. A very large body of Cherokee's were therefore left out at the time of Dawes enrollment and their ancestors remain unenrolled. This largely accounts for the over 250 Cherokee outlander organizations that exist today. Even today the Cherokee Nation is active in out suppression. it's ugly.

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Monday, Feb 8 at 11:49 AM dina in NM wrote ...

This is an issue that will only get more important as time goes on. BQ was never a native value historically; it was a creation of the federal gov't for the purpose of taking land from Indians in the allotment era. Now it is internalized colonization. Decolonization calls for a brutal look at all the ways we participate in that process consciously or unconsciously. Still the best book on the topic of Indian identity is "Real Indians" by Garroutte.

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Monday, Feb 8 at 11:44 AM MBF wrote ...

I fall into your last paragraph. I'd be thrilled with a so-called blood card. I was adopted away, ICWA was not there to protect me, and my father is long-since deceased making everything more complicated. But I'm proud of who my biolgoical father was and try my best to connect with his culture. My father's tribe is matrilineal and my mother is not Native.

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