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Trimble: The Fighting Sioux name should stand

By Charles E. Trimble

As I get old, it seems, I am learning that old age doesn’t give people wisdom as much as it gives them courage to say things that need to be said, no matter if those things are unpopular. That courage comes from not having all that much to lose anymore. I’m learning that few things really hurt me anymore, and those things can come only from very special people I love.

Finally, I realized that fear has little purpose when you can’t be hurt. Certainly someone can kill you, but that someone cannot take away what you have already lived. I don’t have a whole bunch more to live in terms of years or even months, perhaps. And I have nearly 75 years behind me, which have been good years, for the most part.

So, starting now, I am going to say what I want to say. I will try not to hurt anyone personally. On the other hand, I hope that what I have to say will help dispose of things that stand in the way of our people’s rights, culture, and possibilities for the future – especially the young people.

So here goes.

First of all, I’m an in-your-face Lakota and proud of it. I resent people being told that they can’t assume my tribal name in carrying out a worthy mission, especially if it is toward higher educational pursuit, no matter how thinly associated.

I don’t object to the word Sioux as a team name for any college. We know why a school would choose it, because it honors and flatters their image, and it inspires their performance. It is a metaphor for courage in warfare, pride and nobility, which is what I feel in the pride I take in being Sioux. If the school that adopts the name allows any display that belittles and offends the culture of tribal people whose name they have appropriated, then they should be called upon to correct the situation. If they allow it to go on, or encourage such behavior, then they should be pressured or otherwise forced to discontinue its use. It is a privilege, and should be deserved.

There are many things that could be demanded and worked out in exchange for the privilege of using the Sioux name and the metaphor it represents.

On the other hand, the institution should agree to dedicate resources to promote the history, culture and image of the people their team name represents. And they should work to provide opportunities to the children whose veins carry the blood of those tribes, and help them to advance in their own world and in the larger world outside their homelands.

And those legions of perpetually-offended purveyors of over-sensitivity and grumpy victimhood should just let it go. Go home and allow the students to get back to doing the work for which they and their families have chosen the institution, even despite its nickname (if that had even entered their minds).

And I don’t object to the adjective “Fighting” as part of the name. A descriptive that would mightily offend me would be, let’s say, the “Whining Sioux,” as the actions of some of our super-sensitive relatives might suggest. But Fighting Sioux is very apropos and quite noble.

We are allowing a sulking, sour minority to stop a nation, the Standing Rock, from exercising its sovereignty by conducting a referendum on the subject. And we are allowing them to demean the results of the referendum conducted by the people at Spirit Lake. All because it would embarrass them if the people, the oyate, voted their right to allow the use of the name. Expressed or not, you got their answer: “Who are the oyate, and what do they know?”

If they get their way and the name is jettisoned, it will not be the end of anybody’s world. However, neither will it make a whit of difference in the physical, mental or emotional welfare of our people. Those children of our tribesmen who walk the UND campus will not breathe any freer than before; they will not have been emancipated.

Instead, they will have hammered into place the first shackle to chains that can hold them back, the chains of victimhood. And victimhood is what this is all about. It is not pride, and it is certainly not a show of confidence in the strength of our cultures.

I feel that the tribes – not just the Sioux, but the Mandan, Hidatsa, Arikara, and Turtle Mountain people as well – should instead hammer out an agreement with the college for programs that would advance knowledge and understanding of the histories and cultures of the tribes in North Dakota. They should hammer out an agreement as to what constitutes disrespect for those cultures and their symbols, with actions to discourage and prevent disrespectful displays.

They should work with the school to put into place programs that would help Native American youth adapt and adjust to college life, and to help boost retention. There are many things that could be demanded and worked out in exchange for the privilege of using the Sioux name and the metaphor that it represents to the college and its students and athletes.

If this could be done, it would shed positive light on students and advocates who, in all seriousness and in the best of spirits, had worked for change. It need not be seen as a “defeat” for them.

First of all, I think the tribal people of Standing Rock, the oyate, should be given a chance to express their views via referendum, and they should be heard and taken seriously.

Charles E. Trimble, Oglala Lakota, was principal founder of the American Indian Press Association in 1970, and was executive director of the National Congress of American Indians from 1972 – 78. He is retired and resides in Omaha, Neb., with his wife. He can be reached at cchuktrim@aol.com.

Thursday, Oct 8 at 8:00 PM Chuck wrote ...

POWERFUL: Oh my nephew, be kind to me. I do love you, even though I don't answer your love email letters. Tim Giago is a good writer, and I am glad you like his stuff. I am disappointed that you don't appreciate your uncle's writing. I am praying for you, my nephew. I love you. Be calm.

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Thursday, Oct 8 at 7:02 PM A POWERFUL statement wrote ...

would be trimble signing off for the immediate future if not for good! chuck-with any due respect-take some time off and read for effect Mr. Giago's writing to get a late-in-life schooling and proper journalistic genre. Many of us just bust out laughing because you take yourself so seriously! If folks would be honest with you they'd tell you to just enjoy your later years and stimulate yourself with your perceived notariety and start writing love letters to your majority white [irish] relatives

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Thursday, Oct 8 at 3:52 PM Chuck wrote ...

South End: Please don't send me any more e-mail love letters. It is embarrassing to get them. I know it's driving you crazy, but please don't write any more silly things here on line to get even. I'm your uncle.

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Wednesday, Oct 7 at 6:41 PM South end of a wrote ...

northbound horse says, no unkchah chuck! Read 'JB" remarks! that's how I see sports fans about their redskins, 'noles, braves, Fighting Sioux [though no self-respecting oyate would call themselves 'sioux' on purpose though many mixed-bloods are part french just like they are 'part' lakota like our esteemed scribe herein who's still learning things-good for you!

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Wednesday, Oct 7 at 2:04 PM Chuck Trimble wrote ...

Read my column in Indianz.com, which ends as follows: "To you, Waste’Win, I say “Thank you;” powerfully said, and I hear you. I extend my sincerest apologies to you and to all the good people who are fighting by your side (at UND). My prayers and best wishes to you in your never ending-fight for what you feel in your heart is right for our people and our future generations." I do regret having written the "Fighting Sioux" column. Even in old age, we learn, and I am still learning.

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Wednesday, Oct 7 at 12:29 PM JB wrote ...

Have any of you been to a Fighting Sioux Hockey Game? The residents of Grand Forks eat, sleep and **** Fighting Sioux Hockey. But do they know anything about Native country? I'm guessing probably not. I grew up watching them and see the sense of pride that takes place when fans watch the games. Just my opinion.

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Tuesday, Oct 6 at 4:08 PM my unci taught me peace wrote ...

you romanticize your people. We weren't supposed to be warring people anyways. Look at the drum was given for peace, our pipe for peace. You forget this is a power game and you're just another little toy for a lot of people's own selfish endeavors at that school. I went to school there and those people are not all as friendly as they make themselves out.

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Tuesday, Oct 6 at 4:05 PM My gra wrote ...

Romanticize your own people.

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Tuesday, Oct 6 at 2:31 PM Sister of Singers wrote ...

It is Coyote or Spider writing those comments that are offending .... :D Always a trickster. Words are just words.. I use to stomach "war drum" sounds when I walked into a pep assembly. My mascot had nothing to do with being Indian. It was just something I put up with. Rednecks will be rednecks.

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Monday, Oct 5 at 9:55 PM Wisdom in Humility! wrote ...

Self-deprecation is a duty to us all-it lets that cloud of witnesses see who we are [human] but that self-aggrandizement defeats! We are foible Lakota etc but its our goodness which can keerp us going! Healing thru the tears of humanity/humility! I don't know if mascots sterotype us as much as trying to wacipi to the same chon-chee-ya does though!

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Monday, Oct 5 at 9:05 PM Chuck Trimble wrote ...

My careless comments overlooked some people with whom I fought in the past for Indian rights, like Phyllis Young, Waste win, and she is not the kind of person who I wanted to describe as a whiner. She wrote to me and expressed her disappointment. We have fought together for more than this, and I admire her for her fight today on this issue.

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Monday, Oct 5 at 7:59 PM It Takes A Bigger Man wrote ...

to take the high road, Chuck. Since you're in the mood maybe also apologize for your irresponsible remarks about res life in word and image. Mr. Schmidt needs to be applauded for drawing you out in apology! Personally the mascot names don't upset me and I am way more than 3/8 Native! I'm not wrong because I prefer Mr. Giago's writing to yours! Free speech, right?

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Monday, Oct 5 at 7:49 PM Chuck Trimble himelf wrote ...

Mr. Schmidt, I think you may be right; and I am ready to admit that I may be wrong. My words were careless in describing those who are fighting against the mascots. They have a cause and are courageous in fighting for it. I apologize for my careless words in describing their cause and their struggle. I will write this apology for publication.

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Monday, Oct 5 at 7:47 PM Rob Schmidt wrote ...

Yeah, it's "brave" of Trimble to say that protesting racism is wrong and a waste of time. Because that's such a stupid position to take. Trimble probably would tell rape victims to lie back and enjoy it, too. Why? Because protesting the crime would mean accepting the "chains of victimization." For more on the subject, see: http://www.bluecorncomics.com/2009/10/protesting-mascots-victimhood.html

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Monday, Oct 5 at 7:41 PM Rob Schmidt wrote ...

I'm amazed that Trimble can't see the connection between stereotypes such as the "Fighting Sioux" and America's mistreatment of Indians. How many times have we heard people say Indians were savage warriors who no longer exist? Where does he think people get these notions from? Here's a clue: From stereotypical depictions of Indians as savage warriors who no longer exist. Such as the "Fighting Sioux" nickname and logo.

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Monday, Oct 5 at 5:52 PM "Brawn" Self-Argument? wrote ...

I appreciate your candor but do some really argue with themsleves? I'm sticking with you because you seem to have it going on! Thanks-I can stomach Mr. Giago way more than trimble-how about you! Its your position herein that matters because you are obviously it! What does res living have to do with any of this by the way?

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Monday, Oct 5 at 5:38 PM Brawn wrote ...

Well, it's obvious the anti-Trimble commenter is the same one posting under multiple handles. The repeat the same attack of Trimble being a mixed blood, disrespecting Giago and not being in touch with the rez. I seriously doubt that Trimble posted as "chuck". More likely (and pitifully I might add) I think "chuck" is this same anti-trimble guy, actually arguing with himself now. lol. I've seen people do that before on message boards. They have too much idle time and no other outlet. Sad.

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Monday, Oct 5 at 5:20 PM You'll Never Know! wrote ...

Mr.Giago at least is advancing Native causes but trimble monitors his tired old writing about how Lakota he is...many will not share with him ALL they are doing besides opposing his wannabee mentality. Just think if other tribal members had access to cyberspace and read his lame ole articles-he would be deluged with bad press! chuck, I'm finally glad you came out of the closet to be 'chuck...' Breath deeply you're being exposed to Native America and you asked for it with your crude articles!

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Monday, Oct 5 at 3:20 PM Jr. Janis wrote ...

I remember Mr. Trimble as a very smart person, when I was growing up, also an artist, multi-talented, how many of you critic's can lay claim to that,and be aware of your surroundings, and up to par on all issues?

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Monday, Oct 5 at 12:23 PM Chuck wrote ...

"Not even half vested" aka "Brawn aka trimble" aka "Know too well but" aka "Feel sorry for" aka "First of all, I'm an in-your-face Lakota" aka "Leave Chuck alone..." Get a job. This name-changing game-playing hatefulness is eating you up, and you'er getting sicker with each love note.

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Monday, Oct 5 at 11:11 AM Leave chuck Alone wrote ...

Though I disagree with most of his stated writings, I suppose underpinning is a thinking he's doing some good! Maybe to his crowd he is all that he says he is...he's old and so is Mr. Giago but these two just keep going! Somewhere they're hitting the mark. trimble just needs alot of attention-a high maintenence 'dude' so bear with him! I don't call myself sioux anyway but it still doesn't upset me too mucch-

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Sunday, Oct 4 at 11:44 PM First of all, I’m an in-your-face Lakota and proud of it. wrote ...

people are trying to get the message to trimble that he doesn't speak for most Lakota-he can't! Though he claims to be in-your-face- Lakota he never mentions he mostly white! Why? No ears insists on spending his later days changing titles to trump himself up or write something good about himself then he claims others have demons and trash Mr. Giago! Its a thankless job with no pay/benefits/future! Why do this to yourself and friends?

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Sunday, Oct 4 at 8:39 PM Feel sorry for... wrote ...

Not even half vested aka know too well but, and many other names over the days and weeks is sad. He obviously sits alone at his half breed computer twenty four hours a day, seething with hatred, and spewing out venom at demons he sees in others, mostly mixed bloods. I feel bad for him and shall pray for him that me might at least get over it and enjoy some of his life. Get well, try to be happy.

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Sunday, Oct 4 at 8:00 PM Know Too Well but... wrote ...

omnipresent. Born to a tarpaper shack less than 50 yrs ago, most of my relatives are full- blood and live on tribal lands in SD-most always have. Mr. Giago is merely the lesser of 2 evils opposite trimble [types]. He did press for the ONLY Native American [sans columbus] Day in US! He's at least taking his potshots from SD...soveriegnty is HUGE in SD! BUT not all tribes have eecked out Lakota-SD type standoffs either. Mascots are a smokke screen for US to impale further! With all humility!

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Sunday, Oct 4 at 4:44 PM Brawn wrote ...

"not even half" you should visit the rez sometimes and you would see how things really are. Giago isn't a revered figure on the ridge. He doesn't even live there but you would have to be there to know that.

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Sunday, Oct 4 at 4:21 PM Brawn AKA trimble wrote ...

This trimble guy seems to be closed in by omnipresent 'posers' who claim to be 'in the know' about everything & anything in Native America! This goof ball/his following seem to think their assumed superiority flies with real Natives as it does with open ended non-Native & hanger on mixed-bloods like the author! What can be said to them that'll dislodge this conceit? At least Mr. Giago is in SD and tries to be responsible with his journalism and it shines thru but trimble...

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Sunday, Oct 4 at 4:06 PM Brawn wrote ...

"not even half" as if you are involved with anything. lol. Your "activism" involves posting on the internet and you can't be bothered to get out of the house to get involved with real indian issues.

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Sunday, Oct 4 at 2:24 PM Not Even Half Vested wrote ...

This is another Native issue trimble can piggy-back onto. sioux is not an internal Lakota/ Nakota/Dakota term and any self-respecting member would not call themselves 'sioux.' BUT as much as I disdain agreeing with anything [even appearances of] a 'trimble' wise acre has to say, I don't get all bunged up about mascots names myself and I'm way more vested in this than a trimble blood degree is!

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Sunday, Oct 4 at 12:33 PM Curious wrote ...

You're a brave soul, Trimble, but why do you even bother with such dumb stuff as this Fighting Sioux fiasco?

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