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‘The case is a laugher’

I’m not a lawyer; I’m a scientist, and a budding one at that. However, this semester I am participating in the Native American Political Leadership Program at George Washington University because I am interested in science and policy working together. The program includes spending the semester in Washington, D.C. and participating in networking events, conferences and classes and, for me, an internship in the U.S. House of Representatives.

The networking events have all been uncontroversial and informational, ranging from visits to the Motion Picture Association of America to the Bipartisan Policy Center. I’ll admit that I’m not extremely well-versed in matters of law and I view most of our events as a chance to learn something new.

Recently, we went to the Supreme Court for a visit with Justice Antonin Scalia, who has served as an associate justice since his appointment by President Reagan in 1986. I thought this would be a good experience for me since I’ve not been to the Supreme Court before and have only read about the verdicts handed down and the aftermath of their implications.

Most recently, the Carcieri v. Salazar decision of Feb. 24 has been a recurrent topic of discussion within the Indian communities in D.C. I’ve heard it discussed amongst Indian lawyers in offices at the National Congress of American Indians Executive Summit and in passing at the National Indian Gaming Commissions meeting in D.C.

I know the implications could be huge for those tribes not federally recognized in 1934 and that the opinions of the Supreme Court justices on the use of the word “now” are the reason. So, when I went to visit with Justice Scalia I thought perhaps I would use the opportunity to ask about the case and see what he said.

I began by mentioning the Supreme Court ruling on a case involving a Rhode Island tribe and the issue of having to be federally recognized in 1934, I was fairly short in my address and didn’t get a chance to finish my question, which was going to be, “what do you think of all the attention to the case?” The justice promptly cut me off in mid-sentence and asked if I’d read the statute. I had only read about 20 articles talking about the statute so technically, I suppose, I hadn’t read it, so I said I’d read some of the statute. That was all he needed to begin a rather defensive rant embarrassing me in front of a room of 30 or more people. He said that if I’d read the statute then I would know what the word “now” meant and that to him; “The case is a laugher.” That’s his response to a young Indian woman brave enough to face him.

My shock made me sit down and wonder what exactly I’d said that prompted the chastising. I felt disrespected, but worse was that I felt sadness. For all of us, Indian and non-Indian, working and fighting to keep what is rightfully ours and to have this so called “justice” slamming down his rhetorical hammer defending an unjust nation’s legislation was a slap in the face. He had earlier stated to another Indian student brave enough to stand and ask a question that the U.S. right to rule was by conquest and all Indian law was based off that.

I believe that to be truly conquered you must no longer fight. I don’t believe this to be the case in Indian country. We are still fighting and we will always fight against being conquered and against an establishment that believes they have won.

The justice doesn’t believe in a living constitution, which he made clear. He also doesn’t support a woman’s right to choose because it isn’t in the constitution. Race doesn’t matter because we should treat everyone as equal because. … it’s in the constitution. He thinks that if you haven’t read the Federalist Papers then you don’t know who you are. My response to his defensive rant and constitutional perspective is that those who know who they are do not find themselves from reading finite words on finite pages. Knowing who you are comes from nurturing your culture, traditions and land and finding it valuable enough to fight for.

– Nazune Menka
Arlington, Va.

Monday, Sep 14 at 9:21 PM Lavern Fast Horse wrote ...

I have reviewed the matter of Jurisdiction for along time, especially when I was incarcerated for over twenty years, basically we have to embrace the Article III court to recognize our allodial title, combined with the Article IV Court in the 1980 ruling 448 U. S. 371, 374-375, the unnecessary taking of private property a fifth amdt violation USDA, we basically must re-group as a sovereign in Wyoming our Winter Camp area, probably Jackson Hole, have a international off-shore license with Figi, w

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Thursday, Aug 6 at 2:52 AM Peter O'Filon, Irish/Nanticoke wrote ...

I had my own personal run-in with Scalia as a journalist 20 years ago. My reading of his opinions and public statements since then have reinforced for me that this man's misconduct on and off the Bench deserve disbarment and impeachment. He forgets he is "an officer of the court" just like any lawyer or lower judge. He is part of the reason for "the tone in Wash." since the Reagan "Oct. Surprise." He is bully scum and a proud part of the oppressive tradition he defends. "You go girl!"

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Sunday, Jul 19 at 1:40 PM Native Land for Native People wrote ...

This country was founded by europeon terrorists that came here and murdered the Indigenous Peoples to steal their lands and natural resources. Anyone who claims this is a free, independent, and democratic country is a liar or an idiot, and probably both.

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Monday, Jun 29 at 11:38 AM Jolene Holgate wrote ...

I attended school with Nazune and she has always amazed me with her intellectual integrity as well as her grace to stand up for what she believes in. I enjoyed the article.

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Tuesday, Jun 23 at 5:44 PM CurtJ wrote ...

Colonialism at work. Scalia is guilty of Conflict of Interest and Collusion as is seen by him hobnobbing with Shotgun Cheney for 2 days just about 2 weeks before ruling that Cheney could keep his Secret Energy Task force Meeting Minutes Secret. He's nothing more than a Neo Con Carpetbagger, in place to re-interpret the U.S. Constitution, to reflect and legalize the same Neo Con ideals, philosophies, policies, and actions, that are supported by 11-21% of Americans. Colonialism = Terrorism

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Monday, Jun 15 at 10:17 PM Native NDN wrote ...

In this article, it appears Judge Scalia put this "young" buck in his place by noting his inexperience in such issue. A person of Judge Scalia position, whether it be naive or non-native would probably do the same. Education sometimes make our heads too big to handle when our intellect needs to broaden it's knowledge.

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Wednesday, Jun 10 at 9:38 PM Norbert wrote ...

The problem is that there is an assumption that all tribes were conquered. This is the fiction that the Supreme Court as well as the educational processes want Native people to believe. It is as much fiction as the grant of Plenary Powers to the US Government by the Congress over Native Tribes, many of which they never knew existed at the time of the grant.

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Sunday, May 31 at 10:51 AM Aragsculpt wrote ...

All the more reason for Native Tribes and Organizations to vote in candidates who will appoint Judges ,and more Native Judges who will respect Native Rights, and Treaties as Sovereign Peoples. Judges like this shouldn't be on the Bench that decides our Future as Native Nations!

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Saturday, May 30 at 5:01 PM casino-friend.com wrote ...

From http://tinyurl.com/nce7ws about another student asking him a question: "Whenever he acts like a jerk, and that is a relatively common occurrence for a man who works within the semi-secret world of the High Court, we are told by his sycophants that he doesn’t suffer fools gladly and that he has earned the right to be rude. We are supposed to accept these excuses and explanations, shrug our shoulders.... Whatever you think about Scalia’s jurisprudence, his bully routine is getting old.

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Saturday, May 30 at 4:22 PM James HIll, Attorney wrote ...

I think that most of us have focused on that dishonable voice and action of the S. Ct. Jdg. I think in reading your article more that there is much more get back out of what you say. Those of us in practice and in life need to get back again to consider your thoughts, anew. I'd like to hear more from others.

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Saturday, May 30 at 7:03 AM Anonymous wrote ...

This is very useful information. "The case is a laughter" translates to "the case is a joke." So much for Scalia's impartiality and the Dictionary Act (1 USC section 1). "He had earlier stated...that the U.S. right to rule was by conquest and all Indian law was based off that." Being a "strict constructionist" who subscribes to Constitutional Originalism, his answer was no doubt based on the Conquest Clause of the U.S. Constitution.

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Saturday, May 30 at 6:32 AM casino-friend.com wrote ...

If in part you define your own character by who your critics are, and consider Scalia by looking up Scalia racist in Google and read some of the articles, I think you come out as a woman we can all admire. Best wishes for what I believe will be a career to be proud of. Hal Middleboro, MA

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Saturday, May 30 at 6:28 AM Bintdeeb wrote ...

Actually, Judge Scalia is a laughter -- try reading his comments in the transcripts of some recent cases (eg State of Hawaii vs Office of Hawaiian Affairs et al - another stellar example of SCOTUS's reverence for "states' rights"). There is no excuse for his rudeness toward you, Ms. Menka. He should be ashamed of himself, but obviously lacks that very essential human quality. Thank you for your courage to stand up and speak out.

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Saturday, May 30 at 3:40 AM Husawis wrote ...

The correct response from Menka should have been, "No, Mr Justice, have you." I do not agree that further preparation would have changed anything. That would have invited more put-down from Scalia, he responds from power not intellect.

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Friday, May 29 at 11:01 PM ndnpalki wrote ...

Small wonder Indians hardly have a voice in the Justice system! It is not how the laws are written but how one feels toward the Indians, that make the laws that disrespect our ways and our right to govern ourselfs as we see fit. So, we must keep fighting for our right to question them when we know they are wrong. I am proufd you stood up to him, just be better prepared for that kind of backlash.

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Friday, May 29 at 6:55 PM James Hill, Attorney wrote ...

Boy -- do I have a hard time not letting loose on this one. Young woman please feel fine on your performance -- difficult people to approach for many but to be so irresponsibly oratorically slapped is his shame and not yours. You are good for reporting the same and for asking the question . . . If this is accurate, he owes a big apology. How did you intimidate him so? Many lawyers would like to know!

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Friday, May 29 at 4:57 PM Seneca says wrote ...

You are his victim and so shall remain all of your lives if you are sovereign an dependent on 638 contract grants and 14 council people mismanage it for themselves. What about me, What about me?

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Friday, May 29 at 2:01 PM Steve Russell wrote ...

I've read the Federalist Papers, Ms. Menka, and there's nothing in there that supports his treatment of you. He did it because he could, not because he was right. Kind of like the decision you were asking about.

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Friday, May 29 at 12:18 PM WoWunk HoChunk wrote ...

So, in other words, if the Tribes were to conquer the existing United States, we could take whatever we wanted and treat the white man how they treated us. Let's get started!

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Friday, May 29 at 12:04 PM Bizibayaash wrote ...

Chief Plenty Coups sounds like he was successfully indoctrinated.

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Friday, May 29 at 11:34 AM Monacan2122 wrote ...

If anyone gets the opportunity to ask a question of this Justice please ask him which of the hundreds of tribes did the United States conquer... and which of the hundreds of tribes did the United States utilize FRAUDULENT means by which to obtain their lands... I would bet you would just get a slack-jawed response, at best. This revisionist history must STOP !!!

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Friday, May 29 at 9:47 AM swimmergeorge wrote ...

Next time, study every detail of the subject you're discussing. That way you can withstand any intellectual assault you encounter, especially from bullies. "Education is your greatest weapon. With education you are the white man's equal, without education you are his victim and so shall remain all of your lives. Study, learn, help one another always. Remember there is only poverty and misery in idleness and dreams - but in work there is self respect and independence." Chief Plenty Coups

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Friday, May 29 at 9:45 AM swimmergeorge wrote ...

Next time, study every detail of the subject you're discussing. With this knowledge you can withstand any intellectual assault you encounter. "Education is your greatest weapon. With education you are the white man's equal, without education you are his victim and so shall remain all of your lives. Study, learn, help one another always. Remember there is only poverty and misery in idleness and dreams-but in work there is self respect and independence." Chief Plenty Coups

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